IMAGES, IDOLS and INTERRUPTIONS

BY:  LINDA KEITH

JUNE 21, 2004

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PART ONE

Last Sunday, at our fellowship, Bro. Madison brought forth the teaching. He had titled it, Images, Idols and Interruptions. We didn’t go in depth about the idols and images, and I’d like to delve a little deeper on the subject.

We’ve always thought of “idols” as something we like that maybe we shouldn’t or maybe we liked them too much. But, What Father is shaking our heavens about now, is the idols that are within us. This first part may be a little rambling, but we’ll get into it all eventually, in this study.

We’ve always been told that when Jesus was crucified, and then was in the tomb for 3 days, that those 3 days are the number of days that He was in the pit of hell, taking the keys from Satan. Now, there’s no doubt that Jesus DID take the keys from Satan. But, I think that this is another incorrect teaching that we’ve been given. Why? Because of what Mt 27:51-53 tells us.

Mt. 27:51-53, “And, behold the veil of the temple was rent in twain form the top to the bottom; and the earth did quake, and the rocks rent; and the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept arose, and came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy city, and appeared unto many.”

One thing we need to realize about this scripture is that NOT ALL AROSE AND WENT INTO THE HOLY CITY! It says, “MANY bodies of the saints who slept arose” and went into the holy city”. Slept, this means that these saints had died. They had been overpowered by death, because at that time death had not been defeated.

Another thing we need to realize is that there’s something deeper, here, that we are being told. We know, today, that we are the Holy City, Jerusalem. And we are told in Hebrews about those who have passed on.

Hebrews 11:40, “God having provided, or foreseen some better thing for us, that THEY WITHOUT US SHOULD NOT BE MADE PERFECT.”

We, who ARE Holy Jerusalem, have to complete Father’s Plan, laid down before the foundation of the world, before those who have passed on can be made complete!

THEN, they walk into the Holy City. They are in Father’s Kingdom, but, they haven’t walked into His Holy City. But, they will. Hallelujah!!

Now, another thing we have to look at is the “timing” of Jesus taking those keys. It could not have taken Him 3 whole days to take the keys.

Mt 27:50-51, “Jesus, when He had cried again with a loud voice, yielded up the ghost. And BEHOLD, THE VEIL OF THE TEMPLE WAS RENT IN TWAIN…”

At the moment that the veil of the temple was rent, is the time that Jesus got the keys!! It didn’t take Him 3 whole days. There is something else here that we are to see, a hidden truth. And Father has told us that the Comforter will teach of ALL THINGS. Death and hell had been defeated at the very moment that Jesus gave up the ghost and the veil was rent! The problem is, we weren’t taught this in our young Christian days. So, everyone just kept on dieing. To this very day, the problem of not knowing or not accepting this truth is still high among Father’s people.

We have seen Jesus, as some meek, demure, easy going man. But, look at that scripture again. He cried out WITH A LOUD VOICE…” You know, I believe that Jesus went storming into hell with a ROAR!! I can picture Him, screaming, and shouting, “Wake up! Wake up”. Just as Father is doing with us today!! He’s been shouting, trying to arouse us to His truth, “WAKE UP, YOU have the keys to the Kingdom, NOW!”

But, as it was back then, so is it today! “Many arose and walked into the Holy City“. BUT NOT ALL!! There are those STILL laying in the dirt of the carnal, waiting for Father to do something that He’s already done. Are they Father’s? They sure are. But, like those in Hebrews 11, they will go on into death, and cross over and wait some more, because “they without us cannot be made complete. (I will say this again, so that no one says I’m going by MAN’S power, the US, are those who KNOW who they are and know what they are, ONE with Father, His VERY substance and being.) No, no, it is MAN who stayed in the graves, it was those who caught a glimpse of who they were, that arose from the dust of death. It’s the same today. People love Father, but, they just HAVE TO SEE something in the natural to believe what is really happening. It’s those who say, “how dare you say that you are equal with God?”  Another Re-happening, if you think about it!

The Kingdom is within us, because Father is the life in this body. The KEY to that Kingdom manifesting, on earth, is BELIEVING what He says. And listen folks, people THINK, that the Kingdom is going to be SEEN, as a glorious city. It’s not, it’s a state of being. I can see it, even if someone else can’t. Do you understand what I’m saying? The Kingdom IS come, through those who are walking in it. Even if you don’t SEE a physical thing, you can see and feel the Kingdom of God when you get around certain people. I know that at some time, you’ve said, “Oh the anointing is so strong on that person that when he walks into a room, you’re just DRAWN to him.” Folks, that’s the Kingdom of God coming forth from within that person, it’s Father manifesting through that person. Don’t let false pride and false doctrine stop you from walking into that Kingdom, and from that Kingdom coming forth through you, that when folks see you, they’ve seen Father.

Father seems to be speaking, a lot today, about IDOLS, IMAGES etc. We’ve made images of what we believe, they have become idols. Let me tell you something. We were ordained to go through the old doctrines. But, we were not ordained to stay in them. Read Hebrews 2:1-3. We are ordained to get the foundation, but, we are to keep right on walking, UNTIL we have walked into His Kingdom, and the foundational doctrine will not get us there!! Don’t ask for proof, when He tells you something. BELIEVE HIM!! Don’t tempt Him to raise the dead, through you, because you’re not SEEING it happen. You don’t know how many have been raised from the dead, because Father spoke a word through you, and you didn’t even know it!! You MUST KNOW AND BELIEVE who you are!! That is a MUST!! Number one, it’s not up to “you or man” to raise the dead, it’s up to Father, HE did through Jesus, and He must do it through us, but, we’ve got to know we’re One with Him, for Him to do and do it to and when HE WANTS IT DONE. It’s not a matter of PROVING anything. This is a hard one, but, if you’re ashamed to say, “Yes, I am One with God, yes I AM His VERY being and substance, then YOU ARE ASHAMED OF HIM !! And you’ve made an idol out of your belief!! Sorry, folks but that’s the Truth. He tells us, “As I AM, so are you” and you can all the if’s, ands, or buts, that you want to, it does not change the truth of what He is saying. He doesn’t say, “You WILL BE as I am”, He says you ARE!! I’ll tell you, Father is bringing out images and idols out in the open to be dealt with, and either we deal with them or we don’t. “Work out your OWN salvation!”

Another thing about Matthew 27 Did the scripture say that the earth quaked? Well, that’s what’s happening now. The quaking is all the idols that are toppling! One thing that I’ve been noticing, is that folks can ONLY WALK where they SEE (understand). If we see in the natural then that’s where we are going to walk. If we SEE in the Spirit of Truth, then, that’s where we’re going to walk. When one doesn’t see in the Spirit, and someone tells them a truth, that is Spiritual, they ask “Where in the world does she get this stuff?” Well, I’ll tell you, it isn’t gotten from the world. And once Father shows you a Spiritual Truth, no one can bring you down, from that truth. But, until Father gives you revelation of what He has shown me, then what I tell you is second hand knowledge to you.

I’ve heard a lot of people say, “well, you can’t receive a truth, until Father gives it to you. And that is true. BUT, I know of many that Father has given a truth to, but they reject it, because their teacher or cronies don’t agree with it. So, Father DID and HAS and IS giving truths that are being rejected for reasons of the person that He’s given it too. Well, we have a part to play in the Plan that Father laid. Yes, WE do. And if we don’t play our part, then He moves on to someone who will accept the responsibility that He has laid on us.

Just as Moses, and the Promised Land. He got the revelation, but, instead of just believing and following directions from Father, he stubbornly did what HE THOUGHT was the way to do things,. He didn’t enter into the promised-land. And what did God do? He moved right on to Joshua. That “hitting” the rock more than once was Moses’ idol. And it cost him dearly. Moses was loved by God and loved God. But, when he did not follow directions, he was left behind. It’s the same today. We’ve been taught that we’re sinners; we’re worthless; we can do nothing. Even Jesus said, “I can do nothing of my own”. “Man can do nothing”. But, if you hunt up these words that He spoke, you’ll find that those words were spoken BEFORE HIS DEATH! After His sacrifice, EVERYTHING CHANGED. We received all that God is!! We became one and the same with Him. He laid His Head on His Body, and they cannot be separated!! Hallelujah!!

Idols can kill. And Father is revealing the idols that each of us have, and either they will be gotten rid of, or they will cause death.

PART TWO

Father is so good!!  We can depend on Him with everything. I had an experience this week that showed me just how faithful Father is to keep His Word to us. I was going to end this study in a different way, but, Father took over and did it MUCH better than the way I was going to do it. Let me say this: Father used many people to bring forth this part of our study.

We’ve been talking about Images, Idols and Interruptions. And I’ll tell you. Those of us that Father has called to go on in His Plan are having our heavens shaken and the IDOLS are falling!  Praise His Name.

As you know, many fight against revelation that Father gives to some, and some don’t either don’t receive it or reject what He is being giving. We will know BY EXPERIENCE, some of what Jesus had to face the name calling, the back stabbing, the laughter, and much more. But, as I spoke with Father, He told me, “those who are denying My Truth, are having their spirit stirred.” And I had to stop and praise Him!

Whether, one looks at the “Sonship Message,” or “The Finished Works Message,” or whatever name one wants to put on the Word of God, He reveals His Truths to us. We, either, are open to hear Him, and whether we understand what He says, when He gives it or not, we WILL receive the understanding. Father doesn’t give revelation…just to have something to do. He has a Plan that will be/IS manifested. He is so good.

I really wasn’t aware that there were so many who do not know, not only WHAT they are, but also, WHO they are. People get so wrapped up in definitions, proving how well scripture can be spouted, and showing what great scholars they have become, that they get lost in those acts.  They forget the LOVE, the Patience with those that SEEM to be so “uneducated” in Father’s truths. They forget that the Truth that Jesus taught wasn’t well received, either. The PIOUSNESS is there, the soft spoken words, the “right sounding words” are there, but, the FRUIT isn’t.  They sneak around like the priests that tried to catch Jesus up, in a mistake. And so it goes…

We are to learn from one another, because we are ALL a portion of His Body. One has never received it all. So, none of us can say of another, I don’t need you. If we do, the Body will be deformed!  This is how images form in the NATURAL MIND. “I can’t possibly be wrong, why, I can quote every scripture in the bible!  This attitude brings one to think of what Jesus said:

John 5:39-40, “Ye search the scriptures; for in them ye THINK ye have eternal life; and they are they which TESTIFY of me. And ye WILL NOT COME TO ME, that ye might have life.”

We can get caught up in the help books, the many translations of the written Word, all the scholarly translating, and refuse to allow the Holy Spirit to show us real truth. This is called, AN IDOL!  Are we to study the Word out?  Absolutely!

2Tim. 2:15, “Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. BUT, shun profane and vain babblings; for they will increase unto more ungodliness.”

Now, some take this scripture and try to work it THEIR way. They decide WHAT they want to teach; get out all their help books; get a Hebrew and a Greek Lexicon out and proceed to teach what they learn from these books. And, don’t get me wrong, books of help are good to use. BUT, we need to GO TO FATHER or better still, allow Father to DRAW US into WHAT HE WANTS TAUGHT, and THEN after He has spoken, we study. He is sure to give us understanding and bring forth His Anointing in what HE speaks through His Body.

IDOLS!!!  They are falling. And when we fight against what Father is removing from the mind, in order to bring forth the MIND OF CHRIST, then come the INTERRUPTIONS!!  The interruptions of Father. When we refuse to listen, to a Present Truth, He will bring forth an interruption that will make us think that the devil has resurrected and is coming after us!!  LOL!!  I laugh, but, this is a serious work that Father is doing. And sometimes we NEED to be interrupted in our busy-ness of forgetting that we cannot live on yesterday’s revelations. Yes, they are incorporated in what He will reveal, but Hebrews tells us that we are to move on from yesterday’s revelation.

Hebrews 6:1-3, You know, I want to look at some scripture, before these.

Hebrews: 1:1, “God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spake in time PAST unto the fathers by the prophets, (2) Hath in these last days (this was in Jesus’ day) spoken unto us by his Son, (which we are NOW), whom he hath appointed HEIR OF ALL THINGS…”

1:10, “And, Thou Lord, in the beginning hast laid the foundation of the earth; and the heavens are the works of thine hands; (11) They shall perish; but thou remainest; and they ALL shall wax old as doth a garment; (12) and as a vesture shalt thou fold them up, and they shall BE CHANGED; but thou art the same, and thy years shall not fail.”

Now, we can look at the heavens, as the ones up in the sky, or we can look at the heavens as what He is shaking. (within us). When Father starts shaking our heavens, the things that we refuse to turn loose of, has BECOME AN IDOL TO US. So, He starts INTERRUPTIONS. It can be a painful thing to HAVE HIM to cause our IDOLS TO FALL.  Idols can be things in the natural, a person; a piece of graven imagery, but those, Father isn’t concerned with. He is concerned with the idols we hold in our mind!  And as HE changes these things, the idols began to even leave the natural.

Some are and have made, RULES, RELIGOUS RULES IDOLS. “My brother (or sister) won’t give up their afternoon beer and their cigarettes. And I have told them they have made idols out of those things.”  Friends, Father isn’t worried if you have a beer or a glass of wine. He isn’t concerned with whether you smoke or not. As He changes our thoughts, our heavens, those things fall away, if they control us, instead of us controlling them. What a person is doing when they tell a brother or sister that they have an idol, because someone has a glass of wine, is called JUDGING!!  And PROBABLY they haven’t removed the splinter from their own eye!!  Idols are something that we put before God, those natural things are just things against our FLESH BODY, not Father. But, as Father brings forth His revelations, and gives understanding, the flesh things fall away.

Idols (that we are looking at) are a THINKING that God doesn’t go on moving. Doesn’t bring forth something that WE don’t agree with, understanding that WE may not have, so we curse it with our words; folks this is an idol. When we think that He has given US the Word, and there can be no other. These are the idols that Father is bringing down. Let me tell you something. 100 years from now, Father will still be bringing forth things that we don’t know TODAY!!  He will be giving understanding that we may not have. And I’ll tell you something else. ALL of Father’s revelations ARE WITHIN US!  ALL HIS WORD IS WRITTEN IN THE NEW HEART THAT HE GAVE US, WHEN WE BECAME NEW CREATURES IN HIM.  This is the MIND OF CHRIST COMING FORTH!!  It is the renewing of this old, carnal mind that we’ve been using.  And all the IDOLS that have built up in that carnal, religious mind.

Refusing to turn loose of old teachings are idols.

Hebrews 2:1, “Therefore we ought to give the more earnest heed to the things which we have heard, lest at any time we should let slip…”

Hebrew 6:1-3, “Therefore LEAVING the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection;  not laying AGAIN the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment; And this will we do, if God permit.”

I want to be sure we understand the first verse, here:  LEAVING:

#863 leaving: PER THAYER’S GREEK-ENGLISH LEXICON OF THE NEW TESTAMENT:

to leave, not to discuss now, a topic, used of teachers, writers, speakers, etc/ principles: the confidence in which we have made a beginning; beginning, origin. (see more in Thayer’s).

Now, this CLEARLY tells us to lay aside the beginnings of a doctrine. No matter whether it be, salvation, pentecost or the kingdom. Why? Because if order to grasp the new revelation that Father is going to give, we need not think about what we were already taught. We don’t try to incorporate things that Father has taught us in the past. The PRESENT TRUTH will do all the incorporating that is need. We just take what Father gives us and do with it, what He tells us. IF the new revelation seems to contradict something we’ve learned in the past, believe me, Father will show us how it all comes together.

Sometimes, things sound more religious, the more scriptures we use. When actually, IF we don’t even use ONE scripture, the Holy Spirit will make things perfectly clear. What we need is to just allow the Holy Spirit to witness to us, Father’s Truth. Have you ever wondered about some, who don’t even know how to read, how do they know so much? Spiritually, folks, spiritually.

Ok, now. When Father shows us a truth, forget what you’ve learned before. Either we trust HIM to teach us truth or we don’t. If Father brings forth a truth through someone, whether we believe it or not, if we leave it before Him, HE will show us. And it’s time we stopped saying, “But, Father, some time ago, you taught me this…”  I’m sure that Father says in return, “Well my son, NOW I’m teaching you …this!”  And as we accept of Him, somewhere along the line, it will all come together and we’ll say, “Oh, ok, I see.”

The following is some discussion that I was a part of. Now, I want it understood, IT IS THE SUBJECT that is important, not who said what. We will see some teachings that have been held onto, regardless of any new additional facts that Father has taught. All that were involved in these discussions are precious parts of Father’s Body. They love Him as we love Him. But, I find, and I don’t mean to insult anyone, that sometimes the longer one teaches, the harder it can be to turn loose of teachings, when Father expands on those teachings further.

This first, is regarding the TWO COVENANTS.

This discussion began with a thought by someone, who says that we are a Spirit Being. Not a man, not an animal, but a Spirit Being. I for one believe this. If you’ve read the study that I did on Genises, then you know why I believe as I do about this. This is the statement that was made:

“It’s true that God is all in all, but, we are the ONLY creature that God breathed the breath of life into. Instinct is different from something that Father Breathed His own breath (however one wants to look at “breath”) into. Is there any other creature with eternal life? I really haven’t studied this out, but I don’t think so. It’s because they are not spirit beings. ”

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Then, came the response:

I am reminded of these words: Eccl 3:18-22

18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.” 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity. 20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust. 21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth? 22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him? NKJV”

Now, these two remarks are going to lead to the two covenants.

The first remark was saying that there is a difference in animals and man. Although, God is all in all. Man is the ONLY CREATURE that Father breathed His Own Breath into. (now, we’re not going into “breath”. This will leave a place for study for each of us). Which, this first remark was made meaning we, people, are the ones who inhabit Father’s own , not only Being, but that also came to life by Father’s breath. Now, of course, there is MUCH beneath the meaning of “Father’s Breath”. But, for the sake of thinking of people and animals, let’s just focus on breath as we know it.  So, one person was thinking that WE are the closest thing to Father’s heart, because we have His Very Breath.

This second remark, really made me stop and think!! To say the least.  I had questions running through my thoughts like crazy. I was saying, “Father, WE are created in YOUR IMAGE and yet, your Word says that we are like ANIMALS!!  And as someone else pointed out, the word “like” was not suppose to be there, it was added by translators. So, actually, it was sayig “that they may see that they themselves are animals”.  WOW!!  That was quite a blow to me. Then I went on reading.

“what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals.

“all go to one place;”

“all are from the dust and all return to dust.”

Needless to say, the winds went right out of my sails!!  I thought about the teaching that I KNOW came from Father, about Life On Both Sides of the River, that I had sent out to many, many people. I thought, oh Father, have I mistaken Your Voice and sent out a wrong teaching!!  I went to bed at 12:30 PM, VERY, CONCERNED!  I went to sleep with all this on my mind.

And faithful, as Father is, He woke me up at 4:15AM, saying this, “Linda, don’t forget My New Covenant”.  Well, I got right up and started seeking His New Covenant.

This response came into play: “It appears to me that our main problem has been ‘order’.  1 Cor. 11:3 – gives us the correct order.  The Spirit/male is the head of the soul/female, and the sou/female, the head of the body/senses…

When the Spirit was put to sleep, the Soul ‘took over’ rulership, ruling without the Spirit/head.  As a result it fell and became ruled by the body/senses, which had to result in death.

Jesus came to show us the correct order again, and initiated it through the awakened Spirit within; allowing it (Father) to rule and perfect the soul again, which in turn ruled the body.  This was how his body (us) was perfected.  He reversed the order back to the correct way. ”

Then, came something, a little deeper: “Gen 9:10 indicates that all of the creatures on the Ark had the ‘same’ covenant.

Naturally, that is from the physical sense. If you want to take it within and go for the deeper spiritual sense, then it takes on much more meaning.

All of the living creatures that were with Noah were aspects of his inner being. And, they are all aspects of our inner being.”

“There are very deep and scientific and theological ways to explain things and that is fun for us.

At the same time, there is a very simple explanation that goes right along with the ‘deep.’

Man (Adam) was put to sleep which indicates the darkness. The light (God) shines ‘out’ of the darkness. “The kingdom of God is within you.”

What comes to us from the outside never gives enlightenment. Only what is revealed from within or the light which is waiting to shine from that same within. The darkness. There is much more but wanted to say something simple. Hey! That’s a contrast to how I usually talk.”

Let me say, I learned SO MUCH, once I was introduced to “CONTRASTS”!!  I never really thought is terms of “contrasts”. And like I was told, in my words, “without contrasts, how can one know what one shows about the other? And that’s true. Without darkness, how can we know light?  Without wrong, how can we know right?  ANd then there’s another thing to be learned: BOTH sides of contrasts are of Father, for us, to learn that all things are of Father!!  Light and darkness are the same to Father. It takes knowing “wrong,” to take dominion of it. What a learning this was, this group was a blessing. So, let’s get on with the covenants.

We saw some things about the first covenant, but what does Father say about the second covenant?

This is what I found to some of the questions: Does having a covenant equate with eternal life? The new covenant that Father made with us does.

Gen 9:10 indicates that all of the creatures on the Ark had the ‘same’ covenant. That was the old covenant.
Naturally, that is from the physical sense. If you want to take it within and go for the deeper spiritual sense, then it takes on much more meaning.

All of the living creatures that were with Noah were aspects of his inner being. And, they are all aspects of our inner being. I won’t go into it but it is there. I absolutely agree with this.

It is true, God did make a covenant with Noah and all that was on the ark. But, we are not of that covenant.
 

Heb 8:6-13, But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, which was established upon better promises.  FOR IF THAT FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN SHOULD NO PlACE HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR THE SECOND. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day when I took their hand to lead them out of the land of EgyptVS 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord:  I will put my law into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a PEOPLE… VS 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old, Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.”

I do not see any mention of a covenant with the animals.  Also, I don’t see where He wrote His laws on the hearts of animals. As one said, I do believe that God directs plants, animals, reptiles, the kingdom of animals. But, we are FATHER’S LIFE on earth.  “as He is so are we in this world.” “it is not I that lives, but Christ lives in me.”

Col 3:10, “And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him.
Eph 4: 24, “And that ye put on the man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness. 2 Cor 5:17,

Luke 5:36, “And he spake also a parable unto them: No man putteth a piece of a NEW GARMENT upon an OLD; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was out of the new AGREETH NOT with the old.”

2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT). not of the letter, but OF THE SPIRIT for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth (quickeneth) life.

Eccl 3:18-22    18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them, that they may see that they themselves are like animals.”  The new covenant changed ALL OF THIS.

2Cor 3:19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.   This may have been true, in the old covenant, but I do not believe it is a part of the new covenant.

Luke 5:36, “no man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old…the new agreeth not with the old.”

2 Cor 5:20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

This is a good example showing that we are Spirit beings. Before Jesus came and died for all men, ALL of man went into the dust, at death. Once He came, and His Spirit resurrected us with Him, at physical death of THE FLESH BODY, the body goes into the dust, but WE, being SPIRIT BEINGS pass over into the Spirit realm. Where Heb 12:1, tells us, that we are surrounded by a GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES.  Also, in Rev. and in Dan. we are told of ONE, (the Body of Christ) stands with one foot in the sea and the other foot on the earth, DECLARING… the Body of Christ is teaching BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.  This is why I say that we are Spirit Beings, not only were we created OUT OF GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT, but, also when the flesh body dies, IT IS NOT US that is dieing. If that were the case, God would have to die, when the flesh body that He indwells dies.  

Those beings spoken of here in vs. 20, were not regenerated men. They did not have the Spirit living as their life.

2Cor 5:21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Jesus did!!  He went and set the men of the OT free, when He was crucified. And if He knows this answer, then we do too, or will know it.

2Cor 5:22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him?  Father tells us that the Comforter will teach us ALL THINGS.

“Now that the veil of flesh has been ‘rent’ when Jesus died on the cross, the Light is being allowed to start shining in our hearts and minds again.  This is a gradual process, but it is becoming brighter and brighter each day “unto the perfect day”.  As long as we are under (less than) the sun (Son), there is nothing new”. However, when we real-“I”-ze we are Sons and not lower, but equal to the Son, we can see ALL THINGS NEW.  We are Sons of the Most High God.

“Regarding the words from Eccl.  – Are they not thoughts from the Adam (flesh) man?  Supposedly Solomon wrote the words, but they seem to me to be from un-regenerate man who has no hope of any life beyond the present one.  We are told in other places that we are Spirit beings (Gods).  True, we all have one breath now, but that is the ‘external’ life, which is mortal.  Eternal Life is LIGHT/Wisdom, which is Internal, and is immortal.  Just another thought… ”

This is what I found to some of the questions: Does having a covenant equate with eternal life? The new covenant that Father made with us does equate with eternal life.

Gen 9:10 indicates that all of the creatures on the Ark had the ‘same’ covenant. That was the old covenant.

Naturally, that is from the physical sense. If you want to take it within and go for the deeper spiritual sense, then it takes on much more meaning.

All of the living creatures that were with Noah were aspects of his inner being. And, they are all aspects of our inner being. I won’t go into it but it is there. I absolutely agree with this.  It is true, God did make a covenant with Noah and all that was on the ark. But, we are not of that covenant.

Heb 8:6-13, “But now hath he obtained a more excellent ministry, by how much also he is the mediator of a BETTER COVENANT, which was established upon better promises.  FOR IF THAT FIRST COVENANT HAD BEEN FAULTLESS, THEN SHOULD NO PLACE HAVE BEEN SOUGHT FOR THE SECOND. For finding fault with them, he saith, Behold the days come, saith the Lord, WHEN I WILL MAKE A NEW COVENANT with the house of Israel and with the house of Judah. NOT ACCORDING TO THE COVENANT THAT I MADE WITH THEIR FATHERS in the day when I took their hand to lead them out of the land of Egypt… VS 10 For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel AFTER THOSE DAYS, saith the Lord:  I will put my law into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a PEOPLE… VS 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old, Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.

I do not see any mention of a covenant with the animals.  Also, I don’t see where He wrote His laws on the hearts of animals. As one said, I do believe that God directs plants, animals, reptiles, the kingdom of animals. But, we are FATHER’S LIFE on earth.  “as He is so are we in this world”. “it is not I that lives, but Christ lives in me.”

Col 3:10, “And have put on the new man, which is renewed in knowledge after the image of him that created him.
Eph 4:24, “And that ye put on the man, which after God is created in righteousness and true holiness.
2 Cor 5:17

Luke 5:36, “And he spake also a parable unto them: No man putteth a piece of a NEW GARMENT upon an OLD; if otherwise, then both the new maketh a rent, and the piece that was out of the new AGREETH NOT with the old.

2Cor 3:6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the NEW TESTAMENT (COVENANT). not of the letter, but OF THE SPIRIT for the letter killeth but the spirit giveth  (quickeneth) life.

I believe this is the difference in that man that was spoken of in Ecc 3:18-22.  That man, who was as animals, DID NOT have the Holy Spirit of God indwelling them. They were of the first covenant. Jesus had not come (in the attonement that manifested, long after it was made before the foundation of the world). We are not the same as those men were. We are NEW CREATURES, regenerated, restored, reconnected to the ONE we came out of (out from within), God our Father.

I believe that every animal, in the natural, represents a NATURE in unregenerated (or I should say in those who DON”T KNOW that they have been regenerated) man.

Eccl 3:18-22 18 I said in my heart, “Concerning the condition of the sons of men, God tests them that they may see that they themselves are like animals.”  The new covenant changed ALL OF THIS. 19 For what happens to the sons of men also happens to animals; one thing befalls them: as one dies, so dies the other. Surely, they all have one breath; man has no advantage over animals, for all is vanity.   This may have been true, in the old covenant, but, I do not believe it is a part of the new covenant.

Luke 5:36, “no man putteth a piece of a new garment upon an old… the new agreeth not with the old”.

Eccl 3:20 All go to one place: all are from the dust, and all return to dust.

This is a good example showing that we are Spirit beings. Before Jesus came and died for all men, ALL of man went into the dust, at death. Once He came, and His Spirit resurrected us with Him, at physical death of THE FLESH BODY, the body goes into the dust, but WE, being SPIRIT BEINGS pass over into the Spirit realm. Where Heb 12:1, tells us, that we are surrounded by a GREAT CLOUD OF WITNESSES.  Also, in Rev. and in Dan. we are told of ONE, (the Body of Christ) stands with one foot in the sea and the other foot on the earth, DECLARING… the Body of Christ is teaching BOTH SIDES OF THE RIVER.  This is why I say that we are Spirit Beings, not only were we created OUT OF GOD, WHO IS SPIRIT, but, also when the flesh body dies, IT IS NOT US that is dieing. If that were the case, God would have to die, when the flesh body that He indwells dies.

Those beings spoken of here in vs. 20, were not regenerated men. They did not have the Spirit living as their life.
Eccl 3:21 Who knows the spirit of the sons of men, which goes upward, and the spirit of the animal, which goes down to the earth?

Jesus did!!  He went and set the men of the OT free, when He was crucified. And if He knows this answer, then we do too, or will know it.

Eccl 3:22 So I perceived that nothing is better than that a man should rejoice in his own works, for that is his heritage. For who can bring him to see what will happen after him? Father tells us that the Comforter will teach us ALL THINGS.

Now, we’ve seen some to the old and new covenants. (take time to study them out). As for incorporating the old covenant into the new covenant, I don’t think we can do that. We are told to “leaving the doctrine of…” We cannot say, well that old covenant is for the people who aren’t saved. Folks, lister, ALL ARE SAVED!  They just don’t realize it yet. But, they will.

And I’ll tell you another reason why I don’t believe we can live, even a little bit under the old covenant, is because it was part of the Law. The New Covenant is GRACE!  And what does Father tell us about this?

Gal. 5: 3-4, “For I testify again to every man that is circumcised, that he is a debtor to do the WHOLE LAW! Christ IS become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; YE ARE FALLEN FROM GRACE.”

Now, you may ask, what has the New or Old Covenant got to do with IDOLS?  Simple. If we refuse to move on in Father’s revelations, because we hold on to certain “pet doctrines,” then we have made that doctrine AN ILOL!!  And to get our attention, FATHER WILLCAUSE AN INTERRUPTION in our thinking, if you will.  He will STIR HIS SPIRIT within us!

These are the idols that Father is concerned with. These are the idols that are being shaken in our heavens.

I want to thank all that was involved in this discussion. And let us all ask Father to shake our heavens of any IDOL that we have made of scriptures. It is His Spirit that quickens.

PART THREE

Today, I want to look at the statement that I keep repeating. “WE ARE SPIRIT BEINGS”. I’m not going to go into this really deep, as you can take this to Father and allow Him to show you all things. Let’s begin with Gen 1:27 And let me ask you ONE favor, don’t add any; yeah buts, ifs, just allow the Spirit of God, which you are, show you things.

Gen. 1:26-27, And God said, Let make man in our image, after our likeness; and let them have dominion  over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.  (27) So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them”.

I want to look at a few things here. God created man in God’s image. First, what is God?

John 4: 24, “GOD IS A SPIRIT…”

Ok, let’s just forget everything else for right now. There is no uncertainty, God is a Spirit. Right? Now, He said, “Let us make man in our image and likeness.”  Right? What is His image and likeness?  It is SPIRIT. So, either God did or God did not make us in His Image. Don’t look at yourself, because if you do, you won’t see a Spirit, you’ll see what we’ve been taught AFTER God made up His mind as to creating us.  God created us, as He is, a Spirit Being. And the written Word tells us that EVERYTHING that God created, (Duet 32:4). So, God has created a perfect Spirit Being. Are you with me, so far?  Ok, Now, I want to show you some proof. That’s what everyone looks for PROOF.

Gen 2:4-5, “These are the generations of the heavens and of the earth when they were created in the day that the Lord God made the earth and the heavens. (5) And every plant of the field BEFORE IT WAS IN THE EARTH, and every herb of the field BEFORE IT GREW;  for the Lord God had not caused it to rain upon the earth, and THERE WAS NOT A MAN TO TILL THE GROUND.”

Did you see that? In Gen 1:27, God created MAN. But, in Gen 2:6, there was no man to till the ground!!  Do you know why? Because EVERYTHING in the first chapter of Genesis, was created in spirit form. Every animal, every plant, was a nature! We have had each one of the things that was created in Chapter 1, IN US. They are natures. We didn’t always have them in us. Because, at the first when God created us, we were perfect. We were in His Image. All we knew was Him. We were/are just like His Substance, Spirit, and spirit doesn’t die. So regardless, of what happened and why it happened, LATER, we remained Spirit Beings. And not JUST spirit, but, HIS SPIRIT. There was NO-THING to create us from, EXCEPT HIMSELF!  It’s sort of childish to use this allegory, but, it’s like God pinched off a piece of Himself, and we were made out of that piece of Him. Nothing has changed since that time, when it comes to what we are. We were, we are, we will always be a Spirit Being. LIKE BEGETS LIKE!! An apple tree brings forth apples, an orange tree brings forth oranges.

Now, this is the short version of us being Spirit Beings. And what happened AFTER we were created DOES NOT AND CAN NOT CHANGE THIS TRUTH!! We are Spirit Beings. Of course, we were clothed with flesh later and got really messed up, with our thoughts and beliefs; but we are STILL what we were created as. A Spirit Being. You must understand this. The rest will fall in place, for the simple reason that we KNOW WHAT we are. This is the BEGINNING of us waking up.

PS 57:8, “Awake UP, my glory, awake, psaltery and harp: I will awake early.”

Some of us are waking up, earlier than others.

PS 17:15, “As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness; I shall bee satisfied, when I awake with thy likeness.”

Eph. 5:14, “Wherefore he saith, “Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead and Christ shall give thee light.”

You see, we are waking up from the SLEEP that Father God caused to FALL upon us. (Gen 2: 21)  Let me ask a question, that may sound silly to you. Have you read anywhere in the bible where Adam woke up?  From there on, Eve (our soul) did the ruling). She created and illusional world that has been the same ever since. The REAL US, the SPIRIT MAN, laid dormant while Eve had her party. But, Adam has awakened and now he’s teaching Eve who they really are. He is wooing his wife back into his life. He is getting rid of her; he isn’t killing her, he is changing her way of thinking. AND HE IS STILL a Spirit Being!

Him and Eve reside in this flesh body, that we have been taught is US. But, the body is just like our homes. We live in our homes, but, our home is not us. Think on this. Father lives in this body of ours, right? Does that mean that this body is Him?  No. It’s just a dwelling place for Him. If this flesh body died tomorrow, would Father die? No. Would the real US die? No, because the flesh body is a dwelling place that we inhabit. If the body died tomorrow, WE, that Spirit Being that we are created as, would return to the spirit realm, right where everyone else, who died, is at.

Hebrew 12:1, Wherefore seeing we also ARE COMPASSED ABOUT WITH SO GREAT A CLOUD OF WITNESSES...”

If you haven’t read my study on “Life on Both Sides of the River”, email me and I’ll send it out to you. Once a person returns to the spirit realm (dies) they go right on LEARNING, the same as we who are here on earth, do. He is no respecter of persons. ALL will come to know all things. This is how one member of the discussion group sees it.

“I’m arriving late to this discussion on “we are spirit,” but I’ve sure enjoyed catching up on all the comments thus far. I’d like to add my two cents and say that, I think when we try to picture in our minds or give some kind of definition in our minds to both soul and spirit, and whether they are male or female, or neither, the key thing is to remember that we are in our essence primarily what God is, and that is spirit. I am of the opinion that our earthly experience, which is realized in our souls and in our bodies as we live in this world, is simply the outward experience of God’s clothing Himself with humanity, with our own individual humanity, and making humanity a habitation for Himself. And that is what His intent has been all along, to make man in His image and after His likeness, a new creation of Himself that will be the temple of God and humanity together as one.

And Jesus is the perfect and primary example of this, the beginning of the creation of God in that sense, the firstborn of many to follow. In Him God and man have been joined as one, and as such He is the express image and likeness of the Father. What we see in Him is the perfect mastery of the spirit of God in Him, in bringing His soul into harmony and union with spirit, and because of that, death could not hold his body as He rose triumphant from it’s grave.

So, since He is our true life, and we have been awakened to this, our aim is to overcome as He did, and achieve the same mastery of our spirit, as we learn to let it shepherd our souls to attain the same heavenly heights that we know our spirit continuously enjoys. I believe this is the truth conveyed in the picture given to us in Rev 12 of the manchild (that spirit of the Christ within us all) who is caught up to God and the throne, and then ministers to the woman in the wilderness for a time.

And the eventual oneness of spirit and soul within us, that spirit of God within us dwelling freely and unhindered as master of the house, will lead to the quickening of our mortal bodies and fashion them like unto His own glorious body, and thereby declaring our adoption as sons of the Father.

And it’s in this way I think that “the kingdom of heaven is like unto leaven which a woman took and hid in three measures of meal, till the whole was leavened.” unquote.

I have some different thoughts on the teaching that we “will be” Sons of God. Because the Word tells us that “Now are you Sons of God”. I believe that we allow the word, “manifested” throw us. You see, just because something is not seen in the natural world, does not mean that it isn’t in being. God was the invisible God, and no one on earth had seen Him, but, that fact did not change the fact that He was and is. There’s one thing I do know for sure. We cannot manifest something that we don’t know and don’t believe. The soul has had us believing that we are terrible beings, and that we can do nothing and was not meant to do anything. But, that’s not true. Father has finished His Work and is waiting for us to walk into our inheritance. We are as He is. He has told us this.

Man has taken Father’s Word and made it so complicated, when the greatest thing that has kept us from manifesting Father’s Truths is not believing then. He tells us that He tasted death that we don’t have to. But, do we really believe that? Apparently not, because folks are still dying. (Get my study on Do We Have to See Physical Death?)

I’m going to stop here. Take what you’ve read and don’t look at yourself, or who you think is yourself. Meditate on this and then, later, you’ll find out why we are in the shape we are in. But, no matter what the shape may appear to be, right now, we are still what God created us as. He is awakening us, to be what we were created to be, manifested for all the world to see the glorious handy-work of our loving Father. We won’t disappoint Him, because His Plan is manifesting more and more each day. We’re beginning to see HIM through each person we meet, more and more everyday. It’s where we allow our focus to be that determines what we see. Eve is on her way back home, to her husband and then all will see.

PART FOUR

We learned that idols begin as images in the mind. Then, we hold that idol until it is shaken loose from us, or we experience the interruptions of Father. This is the definition that Webster gives, regarding INTERRUPTION:

(1) to break the progress or continuity of something; (2) to impede or stop by breaking in on something; (3) to break in while someone else is speaking or performing.

One thing that this definition of this word “interrupt” shows us is that “interruption” is not an ending of something. It shows a beginning, then the interruption, and then the progression of what has been begun.

Many of Father’s people often think of the interruptions from Father as punishment, or a fight that “the devil” is bringing against us. Let’s look at some scriptures and look for the interruptions that came from Father.

Job 1:1, 8-11, “There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.”

This shows us that we may love Father and desire to gain understanding from Him, and to obey Him. And we are not, in this study, trying to figure out why God brought all of this stuff upon Job, we just want to see the interruption that Father upon Job, for HIS REASON.

Job 1:6-12, “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the Lord and Satan came ALSO AMONG THEM. And the Lord said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it. And the Lord said unto Satan, Hast thou considered my servant Job, that there is none like him in the earth, a perfect and an upright man, one that feareth God, and escheweth evil? Then Satan answered the Lord, and said, Doth Job fear God for nought? Hast not thou made an hedge about him, and about his house, and about all that he hath on every side? thou hast blessed the work of his hands, and his substance is increased in the land. But, put forth thine hand now,  and touch all that he hath, and he will curse thee to thy face. And the Lord said UNTO SATAN, Behold, all that he hath is in thy power; only upon himself put not forth thine hand. So Satan went forth from the presence of the Lord.”

Father wanted us to understand who gave permission for ANYTHING to happen to Job. So much so, that He inspired it to be written again in 2:1-6.

Now apparently, Father wanted this done, FOR HIS OWN REASON. We all have our thoughts on what His reason was, but this is not a part of this study. But, this was and INTERRUPTION of God. Satan was used to bring to pass what it was that God wanted brought forth. But, know, it was God’s idea and it was God who gave Satan permission to do what he did.

In Job, this interruption was a long, drawn out and painful thing for Job to experience. But, in the end, the purpose of God was fulfilled.

Numbers 20:7-12, “And the Lord spake unto Moses, saying, Take the rod, and gather thou the assembly together, thou and Aaron they brother, and speak ye unto the rock before their eyes; and it shall give forth his water, and thou shalt bring forth to them water out of the rock; so thou shalt give the congregation and their beasts drink. And Moses took the rod from before the Lord, as he commanded him. And Moses and Aaron gathered the congregation together before the rock and he said unto the, Hear now, ye rebels; must we fetch you water out of this rock? And Moses lifted up his hand, and with his rod he smote the rock twice, and the water came out abundantly, and the congregation drank and their beasts also. And the Lord spake unto Moses and Aaron, Because ye believed me not, to sanctify me in the eyes of the children of Israel, therefore ye shall not bring this congregation into the land which I have given them.”

God told Moses what to do, but, Moses did it as he wanted. This caused the interruption in Moses’ plans.

MT.16:21-23, “From that time forth began Jesus to shew unto his disciples, how that he must go unto Jerusalem, and suffer many things of the elders and chief priests and scribes, and be killed and be raised again the third day. Then Peter took him, and began to rebuke him, saying, Be it far from thee, Lord: this shall not be unto thee. And he turned and said to Peter, get thee behind me, Satan; thou art an offense unto me; for thou savorest not the things that be of God, but those that be of men.”

As well intended as some things that we think and do, may be, when we think that WE had better “take care of” God and what He gives us to say and do, then the idol that we are seeing is “I”, and “I’s” thoughts. The disciples, as well as some people today, had been listening to Jesus all that time, and KNEW that EVERYTHING He tells us IS TRUE, whether we understand it or not, we have to have things OUR way. But, I guarantee you that HE will interrupt us, as He did Peter.

You know, for years and years, we can show folks how holy we are; how much more we know than others; how much this; or how that much that; but, if it’s all head knowledge or pride that gets bigger than what we know, then comes the INTERRUPTION!! With all we know, THE FRUITS AREN’T SHOWING!. And either we will go on being a “well schooled scholar” of the scripture sort of person, or we will take the interruption and allow Father to do a work in us. Or we’ll go on knowing, with no fruit manifesting.

John 5:39-40, “Ye search the scriptures, for in them ye THINK ye have eternal life, and they are they which testify OF ME. And ye will not come to me…”

Doctrines! We receive doctrines, usually, from those teaching and preaching, and that’s as it should be. (Rom 10:14-17) But, until we take what is preached or taught to Father and receive revelation or understanding, it’s jus second hand info. And it is like the blind leading the blind. The Rapture teaching is a good example of this. You may ask where is the interruption for those who died believing this doctrine? It’s on the OTHER SIDE OF JORDAN! (Heb 11:40)

Believing one thing and not allowing Father’s expanded understanding of that thing will effect EVERYTHING we believe.

In the Book of Revelation, we are told to “come up hiter.” Then we’re told, “come hiter.” Then we told “com.”

Rev. 4:1, “After this I looked, and behold a door was opened in HEAVEN. (our mind). and the first voice I heard which I heard was as it were of a trumpet (a clear sounding Word) talking with me; which said Come up hither and I will shew thee things which must be hereafter.”

Rev. 22:9, “And there came unto me one of the seven angels which had the seven vials full of the seven last plagues, and talked with me saying, Come hither and I will shew thee the bride, the Lamb’s wife.”

Rev. 22:17, “And the Spirit and the bride say, Come. And let him that is athirst come. And whosoever will, let him take the water of life freely.”

Our reasons for not “coming” have become our idols. And the interruptions… are that we will stay in the same realm we’ve walked in for years, instead, of rising in Father and have Him rise in us. Father will use ANYTHING that He deems necessary to raise us up higher. A picture, a word, or anything, to expand our understanding. And we will embrace that expansion or we can expect an interruption!

One thing I’ve found; no matter how well we know a scripture and the understanding that He has given us, regarding that scripture; there is an expanding of understanding, yet to come. And each understanding that He gives, is more intimate than the last one.  But, when we refuse any further revelation or understanding, regardless of our reasons, then we have created an idol. We hold on to that idol for dear life, but, it will only bring forth stagnation and death.

Many times, Father will bring something to us to help us rise in Him and Him rise in us. And many times, we allow it to tickle our ears and then forget about it, OR bring it up when we want to sound wise and deep; otherwise we forget it.  Then comes the interruption of Father.  One thing we should all know; IF we won’t move on in Him and allow Him to move on in and through us, He will move on to someone who will.

Idols keep us from moving on. Remember, images (our thoughts) turn into idols. And idols cause interruptions to come upon us.

Here is a list of things that have been made idols of; they sound “religious” and that’s the problem:

(1) praying

(2) doctrines

(3) Jesus (the man)

(4) head knowledge

(5) the bible

(6) man…teachers, preachers, cronies, scholars, and books.

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