THE GOOD SEED
THE GOOD SEED AND THE FRUIT
SEED AND SEED BEARING
THE GOOD SEED AND THE FRUIT
We have been birthed by an incorruptible seed, and that seed is the Christ, the Son of God! We have been made new creatures in Christ Jesus; we have received a consciousness of faith. But before we talk about the seed, we want to see the difference between redemption and resurrection.
We have been redeemed with the blood of the Lamb. (v.19) The blood typifies the soul - our consciousness of being. So through our redemption with the precious blood of the Lamb, we receive the awareness or consciousness that was in Jesus Christ. When the side of Jesus was pierced, His natural blood flowed onto the ground. In Hebrews 7 we read that He took His blood into heaven and presented it to the Father. This means He presented His consciousness of being to God. Then God poured out this consciousness of being and gave it to us in the Spirit. Christ's consciousness consisted of the knowledge of who He was. He knew that He was the Son of God, that God was His Father and that He was not of this earth. He knew that His origin and destiny were in the Spirit - in the heavenlies.
We need to be redeemed because we are still living in a vessel of clay. The Adamic consciousness dwells in this earthy man until Jesus Christ comes and puts that aside. He does that by renewing us in our spirit - in the consciousness of who we really are. We live in this physical body temporarily - like when we go camping and live in a tent temporarily. During our stay on earth, we are being redeemed, and therefore we can be a tabernacle of witness. Through spiritual revelation, our words and the spirit in which they are spoken, will testify to the Christ, to God and to who we are in Christ! Therefore, while we are still living in our physical bodies, we can speak words of life, understanding, and spiritual illumination. This enables us to live to the glory of God.
Our redemption does not take place instantaneously; it is a gradual process which takes place while we are still in our physical bodies. It brings us a change of lordship. Instead of having self (which is antichrist) sitting on the throne in the temple of our body, we now have Christ in our temple! He is our life (praise God) and now we are a tabernacle of witness! If our spirit has been made new, we can testify rightly of who God is and who Christ is. Our testimony consists of Christ in us, the hope of glory! It has nothing to do with the shape our body is in. Our boasting is in Christ - not in who we are in ourselves.
God is forming His Son in us. Only God, and those who have received God's revelation of His Son, know Him. Only God can reveal to others who we are in Christ. People cannot understand us unless God reveals His Son to them. Jesus hesitated when people pressed Him to tell them who He was. He called God His Father, but He never boasted about Himself. He always gave glory to the Father and said that He could do nothing of Himself.
In Phil. 2;5 it says,
That is why He could say,
Morality is not achieved by the legislation and implementation of laws, as many are trying to do today. They are fighting pornography, evil, abortion, robbery, abuse, killing, fornication - you name it! Organized religious systems are busily trying to correct all these evils through marches and the legal machinery of the government. But Jesus said,
Our redemption is not the same as our new birth. The new birth does not consist of the regeneration of the spirit. The word BORN means to generate. In the natural, we are born of the seed of our parents; they, in turn, were born of the seed of their parents. This goes on and on and on till we get back to God. This is called the generation of the flesh.
In Matthew 19 Jesus talked about those who would be with Him in the regeneration. I think that is what Peter was talking about in
"For He was foreknown before the foundation of the world, but has appeared in these last times for the sake of you."
"Who through Him are believers in God, who raised Him from the dead and gave Him glory, so that your faith and hope are in God."
"Since you have in obedience to the truth purified your souls for a sincere love of the brethren, fervently love one another from the heart."
Paul said, "Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good."
We've all made mistakes; we've all been involved in wrong thinking. We all have to learn to think like Christ thinks if we want to grow up in the Spirit! God has given us the mind of Christ so we can learn to think like He does! The love He has poured into our hearts in the Holy Spirit comes from a spirit of non-resistance; we do not retaliate. Evil has its own destruction embedded in its actions!
We will now speak about the seed of which we were born again, and discuss what it is, where it comes from, and how it differs from other seeds.
In 1 Cor. 15 it says that the seed does not look like the tree that grows from the seed; nor does it look like the flower and the fruit. It also says that every seed is given a body as God pleases. Every seed has a body. Not only are we born of incorruptible seed, but we also have a body. Whatever that seed births, that is what we are, and God gives it the body which He wants it to have. We have not been born without a body! We are not waiting to get one some day - we HAVE one!
Let me further explain this principle about the seed. In
The Son of Man sows the good seed. Since this seed is identified as GOOD SEED, obviously there must also be bad seed. In the same way, when Jesus said,
"And the field is the world; and as for the good seed, these are the sons of the kingdom; and the tares are the sons of the evil one; and the enemy who sowed them is the devil, and the harvest is the end of the age; and the reapers are angels."
It is quite pathetic that most Christians don't know the difference between the natural and the spiritual. To them this parable does not have any spiritual significance. It remains a parable of weeds and good grain to them. They do not realize that there is a practical application; they do not understand that the separation of the good and the bad goes on right within us! The Spirit of truth separates the tares from the wheat that grow within us; the truth that is in Christ does away with the lies and delusions of the enemy! So instead of a mixture, we have a true word, a true witness of God.
The field is the world - this does not refer to creation; the two are entirely different. Creation is the universe that God created, and world is a system of rule. Jesus said,
This world's rule rules through the flesh.
"But it is not as though the word of God has failed. For they are not all Israel who are descended from Israel."
"Neither are they all children because they are Abraham's descendants, but: `through Isaac your descendants will be named.'"
"Through Isaac your descendants will be named."
"For this is a word of promise: `At this time I will come, and Sarah shall have a son.'"
"Now the promises were spoken to Abraham and to his seed. He does not say, `And to seeds,' as referring to many, but rather to one, `And to your seed,' that is, Christ."
In the parable of the sower, seeds are mentioned. Just as there are different kinds of seeds in the natural, so there are different kinds of spiritual seeds. With the right environment seeds germinate, so they must have dormant life within them before they are planted. Each seed produces plants according to its kind - an acorn produces a tree, and a grain of wheat produces wheat. Seeds can lie dormant for ages, yet still germinate when given the right environment. This was proven when some grain, found beside some old Egyptian mummies, was planted and it sprouted and grew! But natural seeds are simply types which help us to understand the parable of the sower in Matt. 13, and its spiritual implications.
The seed fell in four different places. In the first place where it fell, it was snatched away; in the second and third places, it didn't bear fruit. Only on the good ground did the seed grow up to bear fruit. Three out of four times it didn't bear any fruit. These seeds represent spiritual thoughts or understanding that come to us in Christ. These words bear fruit on levels of 30, 60 or a 100-fold. For example, if our concepts or understanding of the cross, Christ, heaven, and the natural and the spiritual, are deepened time after time, those words are bearing fruit. To further explain this, let's look at the word heaven. At first we thought it was a geographical place up in the sky somewhere. Then we heard a word, and began to see that it is a spiritual dwelling place. Gradually our understanding of heaven was enlarged or deepened through the revelation of the Holy Spirit. As we receive what the Spirit is teaching us, the word is bearing fruit.
The appearance of the seed differs from the appearance of its body. For example, an apple seed does not look like an apple. God gives every seed its own body as it pleases Him. The word is the seed, and the Spirit that waters the seed is the water of life. It generates the seed to bear the fruit of Christ. It is a repeat of the Christ!
"My children, with whom I am again in labor until Christ is formed in you."
"For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus...So faith comes from hearing, and hearing by the word of Christ...And faith is the substance of things hoped for."
I would like you to understand that the word of God is the reality. Whatever God creates is not as great as the word that made it. The builder of the house is greater than the house. In Hebrews 11:3 it states that the things that are seen are made of things that are unseen. The reality of life, of God, of Christ and you - this whole new creation - is greater than the seen creation, because everything visible was made from the invisible. The greater reality, the greater truth is in the invisible.
Jesus said to Thomas,
"For as in Adam all die, so also in Christ all shall be made alive."
"But each in his own order: Christ the first fruits, after that those who are Christ's at His coming" (correct translation: in His presence).
Jesus demonstrated that. For 30 years He lived under the law. During that time no one got angry at Him, no one rejected Him, etc. But after He was baptized in the Jordan River and the Holy Spirit came on Him, God witnessed from heaven, saying,
After this His ministry of preaching the gospel of the kingdom began. This gospel does not deal with being saved and going to heaven after one dies. The gospel of the kingdom brings us the good news that we will no longer be ruled by the flesh, but by God! When He rules us, we enter into a life which has no death in it. So we will never die! This does not refer to our flesh, but to the immortality of our consciousness!
After Jesus received the Holy Spirit, He showed us how we should live today. I am not saying that we should be doing all the miracles He did, because Jesus has the pre-eminence over all of us, for He is the Head and we are the body. I am referring to submitting ourselves to Him in whatever way He wants to use us! He has also shown us what our testimony should consist of. We were sinners, but now we are children of God. We do not testify to still being sinners who are saved by grace, and going to heaven some day. Can you imagine sinners entering heaven? That would surely pollute it quickly! We are now the sons of God in this earth, even while we are living in this tabernacle of clay! We are being sustained by the substance of faith that has come to us by the Spirit. Our thinking is now being redeemed so that we may give a true testimony of what the gospel is and how Christ comes to us. This is being a true witness of Christ.
In the days of Jesus, people speculated as to His identity. They had many ideas, even as people do today. There were also various answers, just as there are today. Because there are so many ideas of Christ, we have many denominations. When Jesus asked His disciples what they thought, Peter said,
How did this revelation affect Peter's life? At that time it didn't seem to make any difference. When Jesus was taken into the judgment hall, Peter stood by the fire warming himself. Upon being asked if he knew Jesus, he even cursed and swore that he did not know the man! How could Peter deny Him after he had received revelation knowledge from the Father? The answer is simple; at that time Peter was still an unregenerate Adamic man who had been called by Christ. But he had not yet received the Holy Spirit (the Christ or the Anointing; the Word of God and the Spirit are one). Jesus Christ is the Word of God!
Instead of recognizing the ONENESS of God, we have been dividing Him. There are many teachings about so many steps to salvation, to freedom, to getting one's prayers answered, etc. The fact is that God is ONE, and every manifestation of who He is - Father, Son, Holy Spirit, Word, Jesus - are all manifestations of ONE God. Care must be taken not to divide Him. Too many hear like Peter did; they only hear with their natural mind. They read and say that Jesus is the Son of God, and like Peter, deny Him when the crunch comes. We cannot live the life of God unless the seed of the Word has taken root in us. When we hear the Holy Spirit, He brings this word into life and fruitfulness. This results in Christ, the Son of God, being formed in us. There is no question about Christ being the Son of God! When Jesus received the Holy Spirit at the Jordan, God spoke to Him from heaven and said,
In the parable of the tares Jesus said,
The word MAN in the scriptures means an image of God. It does not refer to the fleshly body. It refers to our representation of God while we are in a physical body. We have an earthy man, Adam, and a spiritual man, the Son of Man. Until Jesus came, the spiritual man was not ruling the flesh. In the fullness of time, God sent forth His Son, made of a woman, made under the law to redeem those who were in bondage to the law, to sin and unworthiness. The law was not bad, but it could not give us righteousness. Jesus said,
When we are raised from the dead, we come out of our Adamic consciousness and receive a new consciousness. We become a new creation, a new man - and Christ, the Son of Man, is being formed in us. At this present time we are being redeemed. That seed, which has been watered and nurtured by the Spirit, is maturing to bear a true testimony! Christ becomes our consciousness, our understanding, our wisdom, our redemption, and all things to us, because He is our life! Christ, the Anointing, was never born. He Himself is the Anointed One; He is the Spirit and the Anointing of the Spirit!
As we look at how Jesus was birthed in Mary, we receive understanding of how Christ is born in us. Through the word of an angel, God gave Mary a marvelous promise! But she could not understand how it could come to pass, so she asked,
After Jesus had lived under the law for 30 years, He approached the Jordan River and repented of living under the law. His repentance was not from sin, for He never sinned. People can repent from sin all their lives and still have it to overflowing. Repentance means an about turn; we have to turn from living in the Adamic consciousness - that earthy representation of God from which we received our natural sense of being - to living in a Christ-consciousness. In order to live in this we have to receive the Christ. At that time we become a new man, a new creature in Christ. We have a new life, a new spirit, a new mind, a new body and a new Father! We become children of God and mature into sons! And this happens now! Christ's coming into us IS His coming again - often referred to as His second coming! He does not come at the same time for everybody in this millennium nor in the next, nor ever.
Neither are the sons manifested at the same time. God alone can reveal the Son because He is hidden to the natural mind. And He only reveals the Son to whom He wills to reveal Him. God did not reveal Jesus to the world, so He is not going to reveal His sons to the world. He said,
We have been taught a perversion of the gospel. It has left people in sin and condemnation, with a false hope of Jesus coming down to earth as a person, reigning on this earth, correcting everything by instituting morality through the legal system, and by destroying people. He did not come to condemn the world, but to save it! We praise God that the Spirit of truth has taken us out of our false hope, and brought us into truth!
Consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding. Amen.
SEED AND SEED BEARING
Greetings in the name of the Lord! The name and the nature of the Spirit and His presence are one. So if we say "Greetings in the name of the Lord," it embodies everything His nature is. We are speaking on His behalf and by His energy working in us; we are also testifying to who He is spiritually. This has nothing to do with the letter of the scriptures, for that is death.
When our speech conveys spiritual understanding and revelation, the spiritual meaning is not understood by natural man, even though he can hear the words we speak. However the hearer's inability to understand the message does not take away the spiritual energy contained in the spoken words. They are words or seeds of the understanding of God's Spirit. Paul said that one plants, another waters, but God gives the increase. We can bring the seed and the Spirit together, but we can't bring the increase. The increase is in God, so if the words we speak are to have power and bring an increase, they must come from the Holy Spirit!
We have been redeemed from intellectual things and from the many books about the kingdom, the cross, and the numerous series of teachings on various subjects. Those whose comprehension comes from the natural mind try to convince people of biblical truths intellectually. They have accumulated a good deal of knowledge - much of it centered on forgiveness and justification. But being a new creature in Christ is more than that!
In Acts 2 Peter told the people that they ought to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus for the remission of sins. Upon that basis they would receive the Holy Spirit, because the Holy Spirit only anoints the new man. The flesh cannot receive the Spirit for it cannot understand Him and therefore strives against Him. The Spirit's teaching is meaningless to the natural man who is also called the Adamic man, the soulish man, the earthy or material man. The natural man's spirit has not been made alive, so he does not have the capacity to receive the spiritual impact of the message. The Spirit brings life, and Christ's words are spirit and life!
Christ wants us to have the same testimony on the earth as He had.
Although we are Christians, we are still ruled by the needs of our natural body. For survival we need gravity, air, food and drink! We are in bondage to the natural needs of the flesh. Similarly, for the survival of our spiritual life, our true life, we need to hear spiritual realities and feed on them. When we are ruled by the Spirit our body is redeemed as a tabernacle of testimony. Now we can testify to that life which is ours in the Spirit! We are in Christ Jesus and have been made new creatures in Him!
"Therefore there is now no condemnation for those who are in Christ Jesus."
The Spirit will teach us to walk in obedience to the Spirit. Minding the Spirit means to obey the Spirit; minding the flesh means to obey the flesh. As long as we are in our natural consciousness we are unable to walk according to the Spirit; that consciousness cannot understand what it means to be in Christ Jesus. Its testimony does not have life.
"For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus has set you free from the law of sin and of death."
In Romans 2:17-21 Paul addresses this subject. The Jews relied upon the law, boasted of knowing the will of God and of approving the things that are essential because they had been instructed out of the Law. They were confident in their ability to guide the blind, to be a light to those who are in darkness, to be correctors of the foolish and teachers of the immature, because they had the Law. But their law was only an embodiment (form) of knowledge and truth. So external law is only a form of truth. In spite of all their knowledge they did not do the things they taught others to do.
Now that we have the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus, we no longer walk according to the flesh. It has set us free from the law of sin and death. This occurs by faith and is for this present time. We constantly increase in our knowledge of the things of God.
"For what the Law could not do, weak as it was through the flesh, God did: sending His own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh and as an offering for sin, He condemned sin in the flesh."
The solution lies in having a spirit that does not only want to do those things - but wants to be them! This is much greater than having a law of commandments that makes all kinds of demands on us, yet leaves us without any help to fulfill them. Those who have received the Spirit understand that all things, including us, have become new in Christ Jesus. That is most important! After we have been made new, spiritual realities can come to us in the newness of the Spirit.
"For the kingdom is the LORD'S and He rules over the nations. All the prosperous of the earth will eat and worship, all those who go down to the dust will bow before Him, even he who cannot keep his soul alive."
"Posterity will serve Him; it will be told of the Lord to the coming generation...And as for His generation, who considered that He was cut off out of the land of the living...?"
"They will come and will declare His righteousness to a people who will be born, that he has performed it."
In contrast to that, when Jesus spoke to people there was constant rejection. Those who have been established in the Spirit, experience a replay of that. We are sons of God and our job is to reconcile people to God. This is to be our testimony.
Humanity is part of this creation because everyone has been made out of the dust of the earth. Man became a living soul after God breathed into him. And when Jesus breathed on His disciples in John 20, they became alive spiritually.
But the main point here is that the kingdom of the world has become the Lord's and His Christ! When Jesus said,
This is not spiritual thinking! Jesus came to tell us that the kingdom of God is not of this world. It does not consist of material things, but it is in the Holy Spirit! He wants us to know that it is a kingdom of joy, peace, and righteousness in the Holy Spirit! This world is governed by the god of this world. (2 Cor. 4:4) The whole world lies in the wicked one; it is not operated by Christ nor is it being redeemed by Him. That is why it has to be overcome by the Spirit of Christ in us. That which has been overcome has lost its power! It has no point of contact in us!
"The kingdom of the world has become the kingdom of our Lord and of His Christ."
The kingdom of the world has become subject to the Lord; it now belongs to the Lord; He rules over it and has authority over it. The kingdom of the world consists of the greed, the lusting of the flesh, the hatred, the love of money, the love of property, the love for the things of this world! This kingdom governs all the nations of the world. The god of this world rules by bringing corruption,
He has overcome the world! This is reason for rejoicing! In Revelation 3:21 it says that we are going to overcome even as He overcame. Jesus overcame the world in His daily walk on earth, and that is where we also overcome the world. Jesus did not organize marches, etc., against the Roman government. He overcame the world that was in Him by the spiritual presence of God that resided in Him! Being like Jesus in this world does not consist of doing great wonders and having people honor us. That idea is far, far from the truth. Being like Him means doing the will of the Father just like Jesus did! This will cause the world to hate us. Jesus said, "If the world hates Me, it will hate you, because the servant is not greater than His Master." The world hated Christ.
Jesus Christ is the same yesterday, today and forever! Just as He did not govern nor change this world when He was on earth, so He is not going to do so in the future. He is bringing us into a new world, a new creation, and a new sense of being! His rule is in the new kingdom!
The Hebrew word MESSIAH means anointed. It is the equivalent of the Greek title CHRIST. So we are the Lord's Messiah, the anointed ones in the earth.
As we recognize that all prophecy is fulfilled in Christ, we receive a further testimony of what Christ is, who He is, and who we are in Him. Everything we are is accomplished in Christ! Our Father-son relationship with God has been brought about in Christ! Everything that was written about Jesus Christ had to be fulfilled in Him! Everything was accomplished in Him, not by Him. They do not happen externally - they happen in Him!
The things Jesus Christ accomplished spiritually were symbolized in the Old Testament. So the things, which were written about Him have their fulfillment in Him. We are not waiting for them to come externally, for they have already been fulfilled. Instead, we are growing and ascending in the understanding of these spiritual realities that were accomplished in Him. They are ours in Christ, but we have to grow in our understanding and appropriation of them. The things that refer to Christ have come to their completion when they are fulfilled in Him. Jesus said He had accomplished the work God sent Him to do. He is the sum of all things in the Old Testament - they are all fulfilled in Him!
The promises were given to the seed. There is only one seed of God, and it always generates after its own kind. It always produces the same Son; it doesn't produce an assortment of doctrines, ideas, truths, or spiritual realities. In the natural realm, flesh begets the same kind of flesh; so in the spiritual realm, God's Spirit
Jesus has come again even though He is not here in visible form. He is here; He has come! How could we be in Christ if He has not come again? Being in Christ means that we become the manifestation of Christ in the earth! We have received Christ, the Spirit of anointing, and He is our life! The Anointing we have received is our teacher, and He gives us an understanding of the Bible.
The Bible is a testimony of who God is, but we need the Holy Spirit to know Him! Since the Bible is a testimony, it does not have the ability to save us, to heal us, to get us to heaven and to give us the Holy Spirit - but it tells us how to receive them! It tells us of the process of redemption that God has worked through the prophets and the promises; it tells us that Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of every promise and everything written about Him in the Old Testament. He is death to the old man; He is the fulfillment of everything that God promised! He is the only inheritor, for the inheritance is only given to one seed. When we are born of that seed we become partakers of the inheritance of the things in God.
Everything is consummated in Christ Jesus through the process of redemption that God has ordained! Jesus Christ is the ultimate! Our goal is not heaven, forgiveness and justification - it's LIFE! And CHRIST IS OUR LIFE! To understand this we have to abandon all our natural ideas of life, and stop looking to the world to see what can be accomplished by its ideas of earthy redemption and earthy cleansing. We are a new creation in Christ Jesus! At this time we are being brought into the spiritual reality of these things!
Jesus knew who He was and He said, "I am the resurrection, I am the life, I am the truth, I am the way." When we refer to Jesus being the truth, we are not referring to natural truth, for natural truth has been present since the beginning of time. Jesus came into the world to testify to the truth - that is to THE truth, to the spiritual reality that lies behind the natural! Jesus knew that His testimony through His physical body was going to end, but His testimony would be reproduced in those in and through whom He has reproduced Himself. These are the called-out ones - the ecclesia, the anointed ones who are called the Lord's Christ in the scriptures.
To enlarge on this let's look at
For example, John speaks about being in the Spirit on the Lord's day when he heard a voice behind him. He turned to see the voice, and saw one like the Son of Man. It was a likeness of the Son of Man. Jesus usually referred to Himself as the Son of Man! That is what we want to focus on at this time.
Jesus called Himself the Son of Man when He came in the likeness of sinful flesh, and, except for sin, He identified with the limitations of humanity. After Jesus was baptized, He received the Holy Spirit and the witness from the Father that He was His beloved Son! This ignited a whole new ministry! He began talking about the mysteries of the kingdom of God and His rule. The realities of the spiritual rule that God has prepared for us were manifested in Jesus Christ! The disciples were instructed to wait in the upper room to be empowered with the Holy Spirit. They could not be His witnesses until they received the Spirit! No one can be a true witness of God in Christ until he has had this experience of receiving the Holy Spirit. Christ comes into us and reproduces Himself in the new spiritual creature He has made us. To this new man He gives an ear to hear the Spirit and to understand beyond the letter of the scriptures.
In my estimation, relatively few are hearing the Spirit and therefore most Christians are not walking in this understanding. And very few really want it to the extent that they are willing to give up their natural thinking. Most of them want earthly things like better looks, better health, better social standing, better houses and cars, plus the assurance of heaven! They give to God in order to receive more! All this testifies to the bondage
Jesus showed us what it is like to be totally immersed in the knowledge of who God is! He knew that God's love differs from human love
The Son of Man is a corporate man. When we receive the Spirit of Christ, we become a part or member of the new man on this earth; we are the Lord's anointed and carry the seed that reproduces Jesus Christ! Paul said,
"Behold He is coming with the clouds."
We do not see these people as individuals, but as types who have received the inworking of those things that are of Christ! You see, Christ was there, for He said, "Before Abraham was, I am." God worked the things that are in Christ in them. So Jesus Christ became the sum and fulfillment of all the understanding that was in them. He is the source of all these spiritual things in the Old and the New Testament. He is the source, and He has put us together to complete the body of Christ - for they all belong to the body of Christ.
The body of Christ is the body of the Messiah or the body of the Anointed. It is not a certain group of people who belong to a certain church or denomination. It is simply the reproduction of Christ in our spirits. If Christ has not been reproduced in us, we are not members of the body. Paul said,
"...and all the tribes of the earth will mourn over Him."
Christ is now; He is always now! He is the same yesterday, today and forever. He never changes. He never changes His mind about this world and will never say it is good. He always remains the way, the truth, the life and the resurrection! Man cannot make Him change. The only way anyone can receive life is by being born again and being transferred into God's kingdom! It has to happen according to the way God has ordained it!
There is no such thing as compromise in His kingdom. If we are ashamed of Jesus Christ while we are on this earth, He will be ashamed of us in heaven before His Father and the angels. It is as simple as that. This is an absolute in God. Therefore it cannot be altered nor denied in any way. It will happen exactly the way Jesus testified, for He said, "Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will not pass away." He is the rock cut out of the mountain; if He falls on you, you will be crushed, and if you fall on Him the same thing will happen to you. So there is no existence other than the life that is in Christ! If you are living in the flesh, and the flesh ends, you do not have an abiding place.
In closing, let's look at
When Christ came we were given the faith that is in Jesus Christ! Paul said that he had been crucified with Christ. Therefore it was no longer he who lived, but Christ lived in him and was his life. He lived by the faith of the Son of God! It is His faith because He is the only One that has the kind of faith in God that will change us and make us new in God. There are many perversions of what the scriptures teach because spiritual truth is twisted in the carnal mind. It wants God's blessing on human nature and on the natural man.
God's promise was given to the seed of God, and that seed is Christ! All of God's promises have their Yes in Him and we add our Amen to that. We can only become partakers of those promises when we are united with Him. God promised to give us Christ. He has not promised to give spiritual blessings to the natural man, for he is incapable of receiving them; he can only receive temporal blessings. When we are in Christ, sonship and the inheritance and the blessing of God become ours. Outside of that, there are no special promises to the nation of Israel or to any other nation, denomination, organization, etc. All the promises of God have their Yes in Christ, and Christ, the seed, is the inheritor of all the promises of God!
Only one seed can continue the generation of who Jesus Christ is. On earth He was the Son of Man; He was from the seed planted in the womb of Mary. We are the Lord's Christ. Christ is the seed that has been planted in us (in our earth). After we have been made alive spiritually and have received true understanding, it is normal and natural for us to talk about spiritual things. This makes us true witnesses.
These things cannot be understood by the human mind. It is in the death realm because it is separated from the only One who has life! It does not have the Spirit. Only those who have the Spirit can be the seed-bearers in the earth! Only the branches that are in the vine (Christ Jesus) produce the fruit that contains the seed! Those who abide in Him are those branches. Jesus said,
So consider what I say, and may the Lord give you understanding. Amen.