NOVEMBER 16, 2003

I had some email asking about Jesus, being Father. For so long, and I know this may be a shock to some, but, our understanding of Jesus; who He was; who He is; and He and Father being two separate people; has been a hindrance to much non -growth.

We do know that God is all in all, whether it was the flesh man Jesus who walked the earth 2000 years ago, or us. It was and is the same God that is and was in both of us.

I want to look at these scriptures and let them and the Holy Spirit give understanding that NOW, the ONLY Son of God is us, The Body of Christ, on earth. The first scripture tells us:

2Cor. 5:16, “Wherefore, henceforth know we no man after the flesh: yea, though we have known Christ after the flesh, YET NOW, henceforth, know we him no more.”

Now, why would we be told to “not know” Jesus as He was 2000 years ago, a flesh and blood man, who walked in Father’s Will, and was the Son of God?  He was our Savior, He died for us, so that we might wake up to the fact of who we are. When we knew the flesh man, Jesus, He was born of the woman, Mary. He had sisters and brothers, a step dad, a family. He worked with his step dad, helping Joseph. He read the Torah, He learned and He taught about God, our Father. He NEVER said that He was God. He DID say, that He and Father were One. Just as WE are ONE with Father, it doesn’t make us God. YET, we ARE ONE with Father. IF we were Father God, who would we pray to, ourselves?  No, of course not. Father is ABOVE ALL. Did Jesus pray to Father, yes He did.

Now, understand me, I am not saying that Jesus was not the Son of God, and our Savior, He was. But, we, like Jesus, was with and IN GOD FROM THE BEGINNING.

John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word WAS GOD.”

1 Tim, 3:16, And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.”

Now, we know that God manifested as the man, Jesus. It was GOD, who manifested in the flesh; it was God who was seen of angels: it was God who PREACHED TO THE GENTILES; it was GOD WHO WAS RECEIVED UP INTO GLORY: AND IT WAS GOD WHO WAS REGARDED INNOCENT. It was God, who came to this lower realm, to set up sonship to awaken ALL of His sons, to be received up into glory. Since, He is a Pattern for us to follow, manifested FIRST on earth, and were raised up, to Father.

IS 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and HIS NAME SHALL BE CALLED, Wonderful, Counselor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.”

He was to be called, Mighty God, Everlasting Father. This is speaking of Jesus. This is also speaking of The Manchild, The Body of Christ.

Duet 6:4, “The Lord OUR GOD is ONE Lord…”

EPH 4:6, One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all and in you all.”

We saw in IS. 9:6, that Jesus was to be called, EVERLASTING FATHER and Mighty GOD.  IF the flesh man Jesus was God, and was Father, and He prayed to His Father, that makes 2 Fathers, 2 Gods. He was flesh and blood, and yet, John tells us that, God is Spirit.

As the Son of God, this is where ALL the Names of God was in ONE NAME, Name above all Names, Jesus. We learned our Father God’s Name, Jesus. Just as with us, the works that come forth through us, His Son, BOTH do the works, the same was true of the flesh man Jesus. (John 5:17).

John 10:30, “...Father and I are ONE…”

We need to ask ourselves:

Can the flesh man, Jesus, live in us?  NO

OR can our Father God, whose Name is Jesus, and who is Spirit live in us?  YES

If we are ONE with Father, does that make us Father?  NO

OR is Son Consciousness raised higher into Father Consciousness?   YES

Are we God?  NO

Will we ever be? NO

OR will we come to the realization that we are so ONE with God, that our thoughts, words and actions will be so in turn with Him, that when we’re seen, ONLY HE IS SEEN?  YES.

Now, for the last question: CAN GOD DIE?  NO, a thousand times NO!!  You see, Father HAD to have One to die for salvation to be possible; and for His Spirit to live in ALL people, EVERYWHERE. God couldn’t see death. So, He manifested as a flesh man, Jesus, to see death with us and THEN He ascended BACK to who He was, Father God.

John 17:5, And now, O FATHER, glorify me WITH THINE OWN SELF, with the glory which I HAD WITH THEE BEFORE THE WORLD WAS.

What was Father, as Jesus, saying here? He was SPEAKING IN the plan that He had planned from the beginning. You see, when the flesh man Jesus prayed, He was doing what we are told to do: Call into being those things, which are not. And the thoughts were Father’s thoughts that was spoken, and is being called into existence when WE speak in Father’s thoughts.  


JESUS AND FATHER [Linda Keith] 11-16-03         1


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