WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE PASS OVER?
BY: LINDA KEITH
I told you at the beginning of the year that Father was showing me things that I was to begin teaching. Well, this is the beginning of some of those things. You may not wish to hear it, and that is ok, just hit the delete button. But, those who are awakening to the truth of WHO and WHAT they are, are to begin EXPERIENCING that being. We will hear MANY things that we have not heard before, but HE is in control as to what we hear, WE are in control of what we will accept. So, I ask that you consult Him as to what you are to do.
This morning, as I was meditating and just resting in Father‘s Presence, I was just sitting quietly and thinking on what to “study” today, nothing came to me. So, I got up and turned on the computer. There waiting for me was an email from a friend, informing me of the passing over of our dear brother, Floyd Watson. That was the answer, as to what I should seek.
Many different opinions are held as to the question, “What Happens When We Pass Over?”. Everyone, wherever they are walking, has their ideas as to the answer.
Many brothers and sisters believe that when we step out of this vehicle that we use here on earth, our body, walk straight into the KNOWING of perfection or completion of our Oneness in Father. I don’t hold to this belief, because, like I told one of my best friends; IF that were true, I would end it all today, here on the earth plane. I will give some scripture a little later as to why I believe as I do.
Then, there are those who believe in a heaven and a hell, and you go to one or the other. This I don’t agree with either. Of course, one’s view of WHAT heaven or hell is would play a part in what happens at the time of passing.
Also, there are to those who believe that at the time of passing, that’s the end. They believe that there is nothing left.
I would like to share with you, my beliefs and why I believe as I do.
First of all, we are told that we are the image of God. (Gen. 1:27). We are Spirit Beings and a Spirit cannot die. There is only ONE SPIRIT, and that is the Spirit of God.
Eph. 4:4-6, “There is ONE body, and ONE Spirit, even as ye are called in ONE hope of your calling; ONE Lord, ONE faith, ONE baptism, ONE God and Father of all, WHO IS above all, and through all, and IN YOU ALL.”
Right now I just am speaking of the Spirit.
Gen. 1:27, “So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.”
John 4:24, “God is a Spirit: ant they that worship him must worship him in spirit and truth.”
2Cor. 3:17, “Now the Lord is that Spirit: and where the Spirit of the Lord is, there is liberty.”
Now, knowing that we ARE a Spirit Being, this dismisses the thought that “after death, that’s the end.” Also, these scriptures do away with the belief of “death”. There is no such thing as death. ALL have eternal life. That does not mean that all of that eternal life will be spent on this earth. For the sake of showing that death IS done away with, and our belief or disbelief about death, helps determine if we will see death or not, turn to:
IS 28:15, “Because ye have said, WE have made a covenant with death, and with hell are we at agreement; when the overflowing scourge shall pass through, it shall not come unto us: for we have made lies our refuge and under falsehood have we hid ourselves.”
PS 102:20, “This shall be written for the generation to come; and the people which shall be created shall praise the Lord. For he hath looked down from the height of his sanctuary; from heaven did the Lord behold the earth; To hear the groaning of the prisoner; to loose those that are appointed to death;”
Heb. 9:27, “And as it is appointed unto men ONCE TO DIE, but after this the judgment.”
Rom. 6:3-6, “Know ye not, that so many of US as were baptized into Jesus Christ were baptized INTO HIS DEATH? Therefore we are buried with him by baptism into DEATH: that like as Christ was raised up from the dead by the glory of the Father, even so WE also should walk in newness of life. For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his DEATH, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection: KNOWING THIS, THAT OUR OLD MAN IS CRUCIFIED WITH HIM, THAT THE BODY OF SIN MIGHT BE DESTROYED, THAT HENCEFORTH WE SHOULD NOT SERVE SIN.”
YOU ARE RAISED A NEW CREATURE!!!!
We were to see ONLY ONE DEATH! And we have seen that one death. We ARE new creatures, we ARE GOD CREATURES, in the very IMAGE OF HIM!! We cannot die again. We can step out of this flesh body, but we DO NOT DIE. The only thing that dies is our thinking.
Ok, let’s go on.
So, we see that we ARE SPIRIT BEINGS; and the VERY SPIRIT THAT FATHER IS. We, also, see that there is NO NEED for death. Actually, there has been NO DEATH since Jesus resurrected. Jesus WAS Father. He tried to tell us this many times. He BECAME the Son, ONLY to lay a Pattern for us to follow.
You see, Father knew the fallen state that we have been existing in. He knew that in order for MAN to believe something, MAN HAD TO SEE SOMETHING HAPPEN, IN ORDER TO ACCEPT SOMETHING. It is worded so clearly in the Living Bible.
Philippians 2;5-7, “Your attitude should be the kind that was shown us by Jesus Christ, who, though he was GOD, did not demand and cling to his rights as God; but laid aside his mighty power and glory, TAKING THE DISGUISE OF A SLAVE AND BECOMING LIKE MEN….”
We all know that even today, most will not accept anything without seeing it. Take for instance, the TRUTH of WHO and WHAT we really are. But, there are those who are now holding the vision of what Father’s Words tell us about our TRUE selves. We see and hold on to the reality of His Truths. You see, they LIKE THE FLESH MAN JESUS, are here for one thing and one thing only, TO SHOW THE FATHER IN A FLESH BODY, that is changing as our thoughts and beliefs change.
Prov. 23:7, “For as he thinketh, in his heart, so is he….” This word, “thinketh” means; A CONTINUAL BELIEVING. Not just naming and claiming it, but DEEPEST BELIEF.
Like the latest, “SECRET”; people can believe that if you believe and call forth riches, fame and love, it will come. BUT, HIS SECRETS cannot be accepted by MOST.
So, when He tells us that we DO NOT HAVE TO SEE PHYSICAL DEATH, BELIEVE IT; DIGEST IT; LET IT COME FORTH FOR THE TRUTH THAT IT IS. AND believe EVERYTHING ELSE THAT HE TELLS US!! Regardless of what others say; regardless of what we have been taught.
You see, this Truth of Father being seen ON EARTH through a people who have awakened to the Truth that they are so ONE WITH HIM, ONLY HIM is beginning to be seen through them. Don’t you or don’t allow anyone else to rob you of your TRUE IDENTITY. You will reach that Identity, here or on the other side, the invisible realm of Spirit. It is a process. It is not an overnight happening. BUT, for it to manifest, YOU must allow HIM, from within yourself, to raise your understanding. BELIEF IS ESSENTIAL!!
To show that those who step out to their flesh vehicle, DO NOT automatically come into perfection or completion, look at Hebrews.
Heb 11:39-40, “And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, RECEIVED NOT the promise; God having provided some better thing for us, that thy without us should not be made perfect (complete).”
The 11th chapter of Hebrews is about all who have passed over. They are all, now, in the invisible realm of Spirit. But, notice, HE PROVIDED SOMETHING BETTER FOR US. This provision was US AWAKENING TO HIS TRUTH ABOUT US. Did you notice that those who passed over COULD NOT COME INTO PERFECTION (or completion) WITHOUT US? The US, is that Body of people who make up HIS BODY and do not see death. This is the better provision He provided, not only for us, but for those who did pass over.
EVERYTHING that the flesh man Jesus did, we will/are doing. When He called Lazarus forth from the dead, is exactly what we will do when we have finished the process that we are in now.
Let me make this perfectly clear; WE ARE ALREADY, RIGHT NOW, WHAT AND WHO HE SAYS WE ARE, BUT THE REALITY OF IT ISN’T MANIFESTED YET. But, it is being manifested. ALL of His FINISHED WORK is being manifested.
You see, what you look for is what you will see. If you look at yourself and see all these faults, and then you look at one that tries to tell you of the Truth of Who we are, make excuses, simply to cover the faults that they find in themselves. By telling you, IF you ARE HIM, prove it, this way or that way. This is futile. They see faults in themselves, and no one likes to be alone, so what do they see in you? Exactly what they are looking for; FAULTS!
They and us, HAVE to change OUR VISION.
“Without a vision, my people perish”. Not a vision that WE make, but a vision of HIS TRUTH ABOUT US!
Some are seeing as HE SEES. Regardless of what the natural eyes tell them, they see a Truth, NOT the illusional seeing and thinking. I remember how Floyd use to talk about illusion. He knew that we could not believe what we see, or what we think, unless we use the Mind of Christ and the same seeing EYE that Father uses. Bless Him.
OK. Now let’s put to rest the thought that we end, when the flesh body ends.
John 3:15, “That whosever believeth in him should not perish, but have eternal life.”
Acts 13:48, “And when the Gentiles heard this, they were glad and glorified the word of the Lord: and as many as were ordained to eternal life believed.”
Rom. 6:23, “For the wages of sin is death: but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.”
We have eternal life. It is just that some have to learn this on the other side. But, all will learn.
I hope that we have put to rest some of the things regarding death. All that takes place, is simply the stepping OUT OF THE FLESH BODY and enter another part of the journey, BACK to Who we really are.
We will take this up in part 2.
We saw in part one that death does not exist. It has not existed from the beginning. Can we really believe that God brought us forth, out from within Himself that we should die? I don’t think so.
Let’s look at HOW we awaken when we step out of the flesh body.
Our mind is our mind. It doesn’t leave us; it doesn’t go ahead of us. It stays with us. And God has never told us to do something and not given us the ability to do that thing. He has placed within each person that was ever created, HIS FULLNESS.
John 1:16, “Of his fullness have we all received.”
We are told to renew our mind.
Rom. 12:2, “And be not conformed to this world: but be ye transformed by the renewing of your mind, that ye may prove what is that good, and acceptable, and perfect, will of God.”
Eph. 4:23, “And be renewed in the spirit of your mind.”
The renewing, or the changing of the mind is a process. We all know that when we meditate on a thing, it becomes a part of us. Meditation is not just thinking a thing for a moment or two. Meditating is taking a thing, a truth and eating it, digesting it, CONTINUOUSLY. And it becomes not just a belief, but an actual part of us. A LIVING PART OF US.
Also notice, we are to be renewed, “IN THE SPIIRIT OF OUR MIND”. Remember what we learned in part 1, about the word “spirit”, when it is not capitalized? There is ONLY ONE SPIRIT; any other spirit is an attitude. “Be renewed in the attitude out from within your mind.” The mind is like our natural body function. We eat, we digest, and what we eat comes right back out of us. This is a fact. And this is the same way the mind functions. What we put in it, comes back to us. But, it has to be digested before it can come out of us. When we DON’T feed the mind, it stays in the condition it is in.
So, when we step out of this flesh body, we “awaken” in that Spirit realm with the same mind that we had when we stepped out of the flesh. IF renewing the mind is a process, here on earth, it is a process even in the Spirit realm. We don’t just wake up with a new mind. And God doesn’t just wipe our mind clean, when we “die”. IF He did, then what He would be saying is, “ok everyone, if you want your mind renewed, just die”. HE IS ABOUT LIFE, NOT DEATH. We have seen the ONLY death that we are to see. The renewing of the mind is so we can awaken to the fact that death has no hold on us. And I will say, this is a hard one to convince yourself of. From the time we were manifested in the flesh, all we have been taught that at a certain time, and a certain age, we all have to die. And that is a lie that we have been walking in agreement with. Did He say that he BROKE OUR APPOINTMENT WITH DEATH? Well, WE have to break OUR COVENANT WITH DEATH. And that is done by changing our thinking, or renewing our mind.
The mind that we leave this earth with is the same mind that we find within us on the other side. Why else would we be told: Rev 10:1-3, “And I saw another mighty angle come down from heaven, clothed with a cloud; and a rainbow was upon his head, and his face was as it were the sun, and his feet as pillars of fire: And he had in his hand a little book open: and he set HIS RIGHT FOOT UPON THE SEA, AND HIS LEFT FOOT ON THE EARTH, and CRIED WITH A LOUD VOICE, as when a lion roareth: and WHEN HE HAD CRIED, SEVEN THUNDERS UTTERED THEIR VOICES”.
Dan 12:5-10, “Then I Daniel looked, and, behold, there stood other two, the one on this side of the bank of the river, and the other on that side of the bank of the river. And one said to the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, How long shall it be to the end of these wonders? And I heard the man clothed in linen, which was upon the waters of the river, when he held up his right hand and his left hand unto heaven, and sware by him that liveth for ever that it shall be for a time, times, and an half; and when he shall have accomplished to scatter the power of the holy people, all these things shall be finished. And I heard, but I understood not: then said I, O my Lord, what shall be the end of these things? and he said, Go thy way Daniel; for the words are closed up and sealed till the time of the end. Many shall be purified, and made white, and tried; but the wicked shall do wickedly; and none of the wicked shall understand; but the wise shall understand.”
Here we see, One standing with one foot (a walk) on the Jordon and one foot on the earth. He is crying out with a loud voice; and He lifts his hands unto heaven and swears by Him that lives forever. Who is He proclaiming to? To those on the earth AND TO THOSE IN THE SPIRIT REALM. Both are still learning. The mind is still being renewed. God is no respecter of persons. He does not do for those in the invisible realm, anything that He hasn’t done for us here on earth. Just as we have to accept His Truth, so do those in the invisible realm.
When a person awakens in the invisible realm, they have the same beliefs, the same thoughts that they had when they stepped out of the body. One difference is I don’t think that they can try to be something that they are not, just because they are in the spirit realm. One thing that does change is that they don’t have the body to deal with. If they passed over, while in Pentecost here on earth, they awaken in that same belief system. If they were mean and nasty, it will be worked out of them, the same way it is with us. If they pass over thinking that they know it all, they will quickly find out that they don’t, or they wouldn’t be there to start with. If they knew it all, death could not have touched them. There is a time in God’s plan for all things and no man can change His plan, not one iota. We were given a parable to show us the truth of the condition we enter into that invisible realm, if we see death.
Luke 16:19-31, “There was a certain rich man, which was clothed in purple and fine linen, and fared sumptuously every day: And there was a certain beggar named Lazarus, which was laid at his gate, full of sores, and desiring to be fed with the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table: moreover the dogs came and licked his sores. And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham’s bosom: the rich man also died, and was buried; And IN HELL he lift up his eyes, being torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom. And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame. But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime receivest thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but now he is comforted and you art tormented. And beside all this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they pass to us that would come from thence. Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou wouldest send him to my father’s house; For I have five brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torment. Abraham siath unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. And he said, Nay, father Abraham; but if one went unto them from the dead, they will repent. And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.”
Can you see the state of mind of this rich man, when he died, is still with him? He looked down on Lazarus when they were both alive, he viewed Lazarus as a beggar, a slave, then and he still does. He wants Lazarus sent TO DO HIS BIDDING. Same old natural thoughts that he had when he was on earth. He considered himself to be in FLAMES. But Lazarus was in the bosom of Father. The rich man thought of his five brothers; he had it all planned out what the out come would be if Father sent Lazarus to testify to the brothers. Now we don’t hear Lazarus saying a thing. The rich man EXPECTED to be in hell. And where did he end up? In a condition, that he THOUGHT as hell AND YET they were ALL AT THE SAME PLACE, just in different conditions!! In other words, “AS A MAN THINKETH SO IS HE”.
Now I want to begin talking to you about something that Father has been causing me to take interest in, OUT OF BODY EXPERIENCES!! OK, you preachers who like to read my articles and then tell me how wrong I am, this is where you should click DELETE!!
Let us remember WHAT we are, SPIRIT BEINGS. The world thinks it is unnatural to experience experiences out of the flesh body. For once, they are right! It is unNATURAL. AS ARE WE. (at least natural, as we understand it) But, the things of the natural are not for the Spirit to exist in, with no relationship to the realm of their true being. (the Spirit realm or the realm of the invisible.) The Spirit is EVERYWHERE! How can we be ONE with each other, and with God, and NOT be where they all are? It is the time, in God’s plan, that not only do we awaken to WHAT we are, but to start BEING AND DOING what we are meant to be and do.
Haven’t you ever felt a strong urge to contact someone, who may be overseas; or across the United States, just out of nowhere, the urge came. So, you pick up the phone and call that person, and low and behold, that person tells you, “Boy, you are right on time with this call”. And you begin ministering to that person. (ministering isn’t always preaching). And when you say, what you don’t know WHY you said what you just said, that person says, “THIS IS GOD. THIS IS EXACTLY WHAT I NEEDED TO HEAR!” This is SPIRIT COMMUNICATION!! So, why shouldn’t we be open to ministering to those out of the flesh body? Why shouldn’t THEY be ministering to us? The Higher Self in those who have passed over, need to be awakened the same as we needed to be awakened.
I know, right now, what some are going to ask; “Who do we think we are that we are to awaken anyone?” Well, I don’t know Who you think you are, but I KNOW WHO I AM. I KNOW WHOSE LIFE I AM LIVING, HERE ON EARTH!! AS HE IS, SO AM I IN THIS WORLD, AND EVERYWHERE ELSE!! I HAVE EVERYTHING HE HAS. I AM HIS FULLNESS. WHEN HE LOOKS INOT THE MIRROR OF MY FACE HE SEES HIMSELF!! And IF you don’t know these things, you should start seeking HIM, WITHIN YOU.
Ok, here on earth, we know that we go from realm to realm, in Him, and we grow daily to show HIM to be seen. Well what does scripture say?
1 Cor. 15:45-46, “And so it is written, The first man Adam was made a living soul; the last Adam was made a quickening spirit. Howbeit that was not the first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual. . The first man is of the earth, earthy: the second man is the Lord from heaven.”
You see we were made A QUICKENING SPIRIT. However, the natural is first; then the spiritual. What is happening in the earthen realm, is happening in the spiritual realm, or the invisible realm. We learn and grow, here on earth. They learn and grow in the invisible realm. And what does it say that we are? QUICKENING spirits. We are to quicken others.
Quickening means: vitalize, give life, ferment (as if boiling up, to make or do, band together, bring forth, cause. cpmtomie. dea; wotjpit amu de;au. gain, give, lighten the ship, perform, provide , yield.
IF God is no respecter of persons, who are we to be respecter of persons? I don’t see where it says, “Teach everyone that IS IN A FLESH BODY. BUT NOT THOSE WHO HAVE LEFT THAT BODY.” Folks, we really need to get out of all this religious crap that we have been being held prisoner in. In fact, it’s not even crap, crap is used as fertilizer, to bring forth life, what we have been and are being fed is having death fed to us.
In the next part, I want to look at some levels, in the invisible realm.
1 Cor. 15:46, “Howbeit that was not first which is spiritual, but that which is natural; and afterward that which is spiritual.”
2 Cor. 12:2, “I knew a man in Christ above fourteen years ago, (whether in the body, I cannot tell; or whether out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) such an one caught up to the third heaven. And I knew such a man, (whether in the body, or out of the body, I cannot tell: God knoweth;) How that he was caught up into paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter.”
We are going to look at the different levels, realms, or whatever you prefer to call them, in this part of our study. But first, I want us to look at the complexity of us, so we will understand the invisible realm.
I remember Floyd Watson telling me that our life is our garden; and in that garden are many PLACES, EXPERIENCES and truths. I believe this.
MOST people see themselves as their flesh body; with Jesus living in us, the body. Of course, you who have known me for any length of time know that I am not in this mid frame. To my way of thinking, this flesh body is simply a vehicle that is used to be seen, and a travel aid, just like our car is to us. I DO believe that there will be a people here on earth that will see the changing of the body, AS we awaken to out true Identity. A body that will and can function just as the flesh man, Jesus’, body functioned. That is, being able to walk through solid objects; that can be invisible when needed to be; and a body that death has NO DOMINION over. Right here on earth, not after we “die” and go to “heaven”.
Many are awakening to the power that our mind holds. Our mind is everything. We have been using a mind that has covered over our true mind with earth that is earthly thinking. Some call it carnal thinking. I believe the mind that was covered over is The Mind of Christ. But, there is a people who are “renewing” this mind of natural thinking, and bringing forth the True Mind. Things are being seen in a different Light. The natural sight, the natural learning and thinking, is being pushed aside and Truth is coming forth AND BEING SEEN. Simply because this people have awakened to their True Identity and are seeing with the Eye of Who they are One in, God.
Now, we are told in that first scripture, that there is a natural and there is a spiritual. The natural is first, because we have lost our memory of Being Spirit and seeing through the Spiritual, instead, we have only known the natural, since our manifesting into this flesh body. And since the natural is first, we have been seing in the natural. Now, the second is coming into play.
I know that we are EVERYTHING that we were when we came forth out from within God. Nothing has changed, except our thinking about Ourselves. We are COMPLETE IN FATHER. But the natural thinking tells us differently. So this is what I want to look at right now, what we THINK we are and how we will/are receiving back our memory; BUT the manifestation or this remembrance is a process that is being brought forth in and through us.
There are those who are claiming to be complete right now; and will not even accept the fact that this takes a processing. And THAT IS OK. Because we DO have to THINK IT TO BE IT.
So, let’s look at what this natural is made up of, which is MUCH more than we realize. And the WONDERFUL thing about this process is that there comes a day when we don’t even know that the process is over and all that we have seen Ourselves as, becomes, although it is already, the Truth of Us/Him.
As Human Minds, we are what we think. We also are what others think we are. Most of this has little to do with our physical bodies when we go below the surface.
To deal with this, let’s create a model of the human mind as it is and as it operates in practice. Imagine it as structured in layers, like an onion and let’s work from the inside to the outside. Now, this is the natural mind.
The inner core is made up of:
1. what we have lived and consciously thought
2. the emotions that we have experienced
3. the love we have expressed and experienced
4. the dreams that we have experienced, whether we remember them or not
5. the pains and the pleasures
6. the daydreams, wishes and the hopes
This core is the layer that is most difficult to control. All of the expressions of the human mind are routed through this core. All the data that we receive in this time-space core. This is where the filtering, discoloration and contamination takes place. And we THINK that we need to rely on it or we cannot remain in and as the physical human.
The next layer, the conscious mind, this is where we THINK that we are something that is entirely different from KNOWING what and who we are. There is much distortion expressed as expression passed through this layer. Although much of this layer is deliberately hidden from others, a considerable part is expressed in our outer self. This layer is so complicated by belief systems; for many the complexity becomes a maze. It is no surprise that most don’t find a clear way out.
The next layer is what we think that others think of us. This great a mixture because part of it is intuitive, non verbal communication, which gets confused with what our sensory and analytical perceptions tell us. This layer is in a constant state of change, changing constantly with new experience and new perceptions. This layer is controlled heavily by cultural context; we develop artificial and synthetic drives and motivations which probably lead to most mental and physical dysfunction. Attempting to keep up, or leading a totally reactive existence, which is what many people do, can if we allow this lifestyle to take over, lead to a veritable hell on earth.
The outer layer is much larger than we might think.
Take all the people that you know, those here and those that have passed on, and think of what they think of you. Maybe, we would and maybe we wouldn’t be surprised at how much more we are or less than we are. Take a minister. Everyone knows him/her and has placed him/her on a pedestal. They actually start to think that they are all the things that these people think they are. But, very little of what radiates from them, as perceived by others, is aware of the content of your inner core self. The disguise gets in the way. And a problem lies in the deep concern as to what others think of them.
Now, a lot of people may not want to agree with this, but it is the natural person. We have all and do, experience these things. Haven’t you watched someone that even the way they WALK changes when in the presence of those who have them on that pedestal. I know I have seen it.
So, just as the natural mind is made up of all these different layers, so is the spiritual or invisible realm made up of layers of awakening.
We have to walk through each of these layers and as awakening happen in us. We do not just wake up one morning and the entire natural mind is changed. It is a process where every layer is dealt with, BY THE SPIRIT.
Of course, we do have a part that we play in this renewing of the mind. We study, we read, we meditate, we begin bringing forth what is given by the Spirit and we APPLY what the Spirit raises in us. WE HAVE IT ALL, we just have to bring it forth.
In every layer of the natural mind, there is a layer of the Spiritual mind that is used to replace the natural.
As we take what the Spirit raises in us, we replace each layer of the natural mind with the rising understanding within us, by the Spirit. And the sooner we get it in our head that Spiritual DOES NOT MEAN RELIGIOUS, the sooner the natural mind is truly renewed. IF we think that Spiritual thinking is religious thinking, all we are doing is covering the natural mind with more covering, incorrect covering.
Now, I want to look at some levels of the invisible realm.
As I said, we “awaken” in the invisible realm with the same thoughts we left this realm with. It is very religious to think that once we step out of the flesh body, that automatically we get a brand new mind. It doesn’t work like that.
At the end of this study, I will give references to where some of this material came from. But, let’s not break our train of thought.
We know that there is a “place” or condition that we will manifest that is exactly in His Image. The truth manifests and the old natural thinking has no place, any longer. And as I said, WE DO ALREADY HAVE IT, we just have to rid ourselves of all, in the mind, that is not His persona. This will is happening in both realms; the earthen realm and the invisible realm.
We looked at a “model” of our natural mind, in the last part. Of course, we know that the true Identity is that which lives within this body. The Spirit is the true core of our Being, as it is Father. It is He that breaks through all the layers of the natural mind. I say that it is He, because we are One and the same Being in Him.
There are worlds within us that we are not even aware of yet, but, as we awaken more and more, we see all the wonders that lay within us. And with each new awakening comes a more knowing of so many things that we have questioned ourselves about. Just as there are worlds within us, there are worlds in the invisible realm. By worlds, I mean, just that. We awaken in that realm, after stepping out of the physical body, with the thoughts that we left the earth realm with.
I have been reading on the subject of Out of Body Experiences and it is very much as I have always thought, and many other things that I find fascinating. The books that I have been reading reveals much. There are three books by Robert Monroe. (Out of the Body, Far Journey, and Ultimate Journey).
Mr Monroe is not some quack that just gives his opinions on this subject. He began and practiced his study for over 30 yrs. His Monroe Institute, in Virginia has had volunteers for years, practicing the OBE. He is now in the invisible realm, learning more and more, as is his wife.
In Genesis 37:3 we read that Joseph had a “coat of many colors”. We find a literal Hebrew translation actually gives “many pieces”. That each piece was also of a different color would add to the splendor of the garment, but the underlying truth is that it took many pieces to make up the whole new coat. Now, THIS coat that Joseph was given made a different “person” of who Joseph was known as, before he got the coat. BUT, even AFTER the coat, Joseph BECAME another “person”. He became a ruler. Can you not see that this is exactly what happens with each step of our awakening to our true Identity? And each “piece” was and is a part of our make up, that has to be dealt with. By dealing with each piece, I mean that we have to come to know each piece and know that it is for learning and release it so that the REAL BEING that we are, is seen through it. We have to come to KNOW that that piece is simply and illusion and NOT a part of Who we really are.
So, this coat, we can look at as our natural mind. Each piece has made us something other than who we were. And when we take this coat of many colors off, a new us appears. etc. etc. etc. We have to have each layer peeled away, to show that it is not a part of Who we truly are. As each layer is peeled away, we are awakening to our true Being.
As I said, we do not just wake up in the invisible realm, and a new mind has been gained. If that were true, what would we have learned? A lot of learning would be missing. WE ARE ONE IN THE ALL KNOWING ONE, and that KNOWING MUST BECOME AWAKENED TO IN US. As we pass into that invisible realm, we go right on peeling each layer away until there are no layers, ONLY HIM!!
The only time I have heard ministers say that we awaken in the invisible realm with the same mind that we left this earthen realm with, is when they are condemning one who had committed suicide. I have heard them saying, so “better than thou”, attitude, “Well, this person has a rude awakening coming, because this person did not get away from his/her problem.” Little did they know, how true their words rang, ONLY WITHOUT any condemnation to that person who took his/her life. It was PART of the peeling away of the illusional thinking, that the natural mind had led them to believe.
And we DO KNOW HOW POWERFUL THE MIND IS. Whether we are using the natural mind, or the Mind of Christ. WOW, such power is almost unbelievable!! AND IF the mind is as powerful as it is in THIS REALM, it is just as powerful in the invisible realm. I want to share some of the thinking that we have been led to believe, about the invisible realm. AND THROUGHOUT THE REST OF THIS STUDY, EVERY TIME YOUR MIND WANTS TO SAY, “YEAH, RIGHT”, KEEP IN MIND THIS WORD OF WISDOM; AS A MAN THINKETH, SO IS HE.
There is much more I want to share, and when I do, you will understand the rest of this part of this study, which might make these next words more believable, more understood. So, saying this, let’s look at what Mr. Monroe EXPERIENCED while out of the body. The different realms, levels, steps, which ever you wish to call them, that are a part of the GROWING in the invisible realm, UNTIL THE COMPLETE AWAKENING IS MANIFESTED IN AND THROUGH US.
I will not go in depth, to explain each level, I will just give a brief explanation of the levels. Mr. Monroe calls these levels, “focuses”, i.e. “focus 2, 7, 27 etc.”. I think the word “focus” is perfect for each of these levels. Because if you recall, I have always said, “that what we FOCUS on, expands into being. (whether it be in the natural or in the Spirit). I will not be going through ALL of the focuses that Mr. Monroe spoke of. I just want us to get some kind of explanation of what to expect.
So, focus 1, is something that we have all heard about and have no problem believing. This is where a person steps out of the physical body, and floats above, up to the ceiling and is looking down on the operating room, the place of an accident, or above the body of one learning to have Out Of Body experiences. (OBE).
Another focus was where he decided to try to leave the place where he had came out of his body. He began “traveling” to short distances. He worked WITH OTHERS who remained IN THE BODY, right here on earth. He ventured to try to go to a friend’s residence. And he did. The friend did not know he was there, but, when he returned to his body, he and the friend talked (along with the friend’s wife). He told them what they had been wearing; what they were doing, etc. And HE WAS CORRECT.
Then he began venturing out of that range. At some “focus” he was accompanied with a “guide”. I won’t go into the “guide” thing, right now. I want to talk of the levels, or “focuses”. Each focus was a “stepping up” in understanding. He learned something in each focus.
FOCUS 22; This is where humans still in physical existence have only partial consciousness. In this state would be the suffering from delirium, from chemical dependency or alcoholism, or from dementia. It would also include patients who were anesthetized of comatose.
FOCUS 23: A level inhabited by those who have recently left physical existence but who either have not been able to recognize and accept this or are unable to free themselves from the tied of the earth system. It includes those from ALL periods of time.
FOCUS 24-26; This level covers the Belief System Territories. Occupied by nonphysical humans from all periods and areas who have accepted and subscribed to various premises and concepts. These would include religious and philosophical beliefs that postulate some post-physical existence.
FOCUS 28: This level is beyond not only time-space, but human thought. Residence in 28 or beyond, limits any return to a physical body. (if they are just practicing OBE.)
FOCUS 27: Here is the site of what we may call the Reception Center or the Park, which is the hub of it. This is an artificial synthesis created by HUMAN MINDS, a way station designed to reality. It takes on the form of various earth environments in order to be acceptable to the enormously wide variety of new comers.
This area is a “training place”, for learning. The “deceased” become familiar and comfortable with these different states of being. Each individual is invited to create his own personal and special place within Focus 27, a place to which he may return to, at will. The forms that these places take are as varied and unique as the participants themselves, ranging for example from log cabins by quiet streams to clumps of trees, South Sea islands, palaces of crystal, and corner’s of one’s heart.
Once participants are familiar with the range of Focus levels they are advised how to assist those no longer in physical existence who need help. They phase gradually into Focus 27 and there they may ask for help and guidance for themselves. Then they return to Focus 23, sometimes accompanied by a guide or helper, where they may be attracted to a situation in which their assistance is needed in order for someone to move forward. I may be that some refuses to accept the fact of his or her physical death, or is unwilling to let og owing to some perceived gain from continuing to be attached to the physic. The participant seeks to communicate with this individual, encouraging him to release and move onward. If this encouragement is successful, as it often is, the two, perhaps accompanied by the guide, move together toward Focus 2. On the way, some individuals will slip away into the Belief System Territories of Focus 24-26, where they will be welcomed by those of their own particular creed or faith. Others will continue to the Reception Center in Focus 27, where they may be greeted by loved ones no longer in physical existence. Here they have the opportunity to be counseled as to the next step to take along the path to growth. And again, remember. “AS A MAN THINKETH, SO IS HE.” NO MATTER WHAT REALM THE PERSON IS IN!!!
This is all I will say on the Focuses. There is MUCH more. But what I want to be understood is this; aren’t we told, regarding being here on earth, and regarding our learning or awakening;
IS 28:10, “Whom shall he teach knowledge? and whom shall he make to understand doctrine? them that are weaned from the milk, and drawn from the breast. For percept must be upon precept, precept upon precept; line upon line, line upon line; here a little, and there a little. For with stammering lips and another tongue will he speak to this people. To whom he said, This is the rest wherewith yet they would not hear.”
Heb 6:1-3, “Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, Of the doctrine of baptisms, and of laying on of hands, and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment. And this will we do, if God permit.”
PS 17:15, “As for me, I will behold thy face in righteousness: I shall be satisfied, when I awake, with thy likeness.”
Rom13:11, “And that, knowing the time, that now it is high time to awake out of sleep:….”
Eph 5:14, “Wherefore he saith, Awake thou that sleepest, and arise from the dead, and Christ shall give thee light.”
Heb 11:40, “God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.”
Now, IS NOT THERE A PROCESS in each of these verses? And if it is true in this realm, why wouldn’t it be a process in the invisible realm? YES! AGAIN I WANT TO SAY, WE ARE ALREADY COMPLETE IN HIM, BUT THIS KNOWING HAS TO COME INTO MANIFESTATION. AND THAT MANIFESTATION WILL HAPPEN IN BOTH REALMS! Hebrews 11 shows us this! Aren’t we told that “they wait on tiptoes‘ for the manifestation of Him through us?
Folks, I am telling you, we need to free ourselves from all these religious precepts we have been holding; and I mean the KINGDOM PEOPLE TOO!! I was told that all this is of the ego; the carnal; the physic; New Age. And anyone is entitled to their own thinking, but, yet they say that GOD IS ALL IN ALL.
Mr Monroe’s work is still going on, helping to prepare those who are terminally ill, for what they will face. TO ME, this is VERY GODLY!! I will share more of what he has written and I truly CAN SEE where it is a line upon line, precept upon precept, in the invisible realm. I want to share how Mr. Monroe MET people that he had known here on earth. I will say that when he met these people, IT WAS NOT THE SAME RELATIONSHIP that they shared here on earth.
As I said in the last part of this study, I want to share some of what Mr. Monroe said about meeting people that he had known and had passed over. One example will be when Mrs. Monroe passed over and the feelings that Mr Monroe experienced.
But first, I want to share what I was talking about when I said that while Out of the Body, Mr. Monroe met “guides”.
These will just be parts of what was told. And I will be skipping to different meetings.
QUOTE: “The suspicion began where I thought I had a good perspective of the human experience. In retrospect, the whole thing may have been planned that way, all along. I had been moving in and out of OBE very blithely and calmly, always sure that my guiding total self KNEW the answers, would take care of anything and any problem as they arose. It had worked perfectly to date, and perhaps that was why the slight scent of suspicion began to form. However great my ego might think I was, I knew I wasn’t that good.
Thus entered again one of my many questionable characteristics. I can’t let a good thing alone and simply let it happen; I had to find out why. In several succeeding OBE, I tried to become aware of WHO was doing the “driving” or “navigating”. The contact was elusive in the beginning, no percept other than a gentle presence behind me, directing where I went. I turned around, but there was nothing—-at the most a trace of a friendly presence. But it was there and it seems definitely external.
I, later, went back through my notes, all the way to the beginning of my OBE. I was astounded that I had ignored what was so apparent. For instance; a hand helping me get out of the flesh body, a hand on my arm, a response to my anguished screams, and the more subtle clues apparent from my new perspective. I had called the “helpers” at the time and let it go at that. At the minimum, I had not turned my activities over to my “greater self”, but to them, whoever “they” were.
Thereafter, during active OBE, I tried many times to communicate with these presences, singular or plural, to no avail. CORRECTION: I THOUGHT I received no reply because no words were forthcoming, only pictures, sensations, and action. The change came about when I dimly began to realize I wasn’t speaking their “language”, as it were. Words and language, as we know them, are strictly human. The inference was obvious to me—being human. My deflated ego rose somewhat with the realization that whatever my communication methods was, a response WAS coming from these, ,,,”nonhumans”.
With this awareness, I continued to ask and let “them” do the driving and navigating during my OBE states for one simple reason: the process had been working. Whoever they were, they certainly knew the territory far better than I. Each time, though, I attempted another kind of communication, and it began to getting results. I directed wordless thoughts, pictures, activities, feelings, and emotions to the supposed presence behind me. Each time, there was an immediate response of like quality. It took some analytical and subjective attitudes combined, to comprehend what I received. It was painfully slow on my side, astoundingly patient on theirs. Out of it came the rudiments of what we now call nonverbal communication. It was a milestone in my consciousness.”
Just as some of us might remember, the first time we heard from the Spirit Being, that we are, was quite surprising, astounding and not completely understood at the time of the Spirit’s revealing. Why have we thought that the invisible realm be any different? We, some of us, have lived with a many changing belief of what the invisible realm would be like. And we are STILL HAVING THE TRUTH OF IT BROUGHT BACK TO OUR REMEMBRANCE! There will still be much to learn, when one passes over to that invisible realm. We may have the revelation, given to us of Who and What we are, but until it is manifested fully, we will go right on learning, either here on earth, or in the invisible realm. The Books of Daniel and Revelation show us this.
I have received a couple of “disagreeing” responses, since I started this study; but, on the whole many more encouraging responses. People who are open WANT to remember that Spirit realm. After all, why shouldn’t we want to know or remember more about the very realm that we came out of!!??
As for being able to read the thoughts of others; didn’t Jesus do that very thing?
John 1:43-51, “The day following Jesus would go forth into Galilee, and findeth Philip, and saith unto him, Follow me. Now Philip was of Bethsaida, the city of Andrew and Peter. Philip findeth Nathanael, and saith unto him, We have found him, of whom Moses, in the law, and the prophets, did write, Jesus of Nazareth, the son of Joseph.. And Nathanael said unto him, Can there any good thing come out of Nazareth? Philip saith unto him, Come and see. Jesus saw Nathanael coming to him, and saith of him, Behold an Israelite indeed, in whom is no guile! Nathanael saith unto him, Whence knowest thou me? Jesus answered and said unto him, Before that Philip called thee, when thou wast under the fig tree, I saw thee. Nathanael answered and saith unto him, Rabbi, thou are the Son of God; thou are the King of Israel. Jesus answered and said unto him, Because I said unto thee, I saw thee under the gig tree, believest thou? thou shalt see greater things than these. And he saith unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Hereafter ye shall see heaven open, and the angels of God ascending and descending upon the Son of man.”
Mt 9:4 “And Jesus knowing their thoughts said, Wherefore think ye evil in your hearts?”
Lu 11:17 “But he, knowing their thoughts, said unto them, Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and a house divided against a house falleth.”
Look throughout the bible and find the different places where Jesus read the thoughts of people. We have listened to our church leaders teach us that such a thing as that is “witchcraft”, etc. And yet they stand and say, “God is all in all”. Were we not told in John 1:16 that we HAVE RECEIVED the FULLNESS of Him? So why is it so surprising that such can and should be happening, especially with those who are confessing that they KNOW their TRUE IDENTITY? Of the ego? I don’t think so. Of the carnal mind? I don’t think so. Flesh and blood cannot enter heaven. We have walked through this journey of remembering from whence we came, learning day by day, minute by minute. Why would it be any different in the invisible realm? I think it is rather childish to thinking that IF we die, we get REWARDED FOR DIEING, by all of a sudden have that Fullness restored, in memory, to us. But, I guess each person will have to believe what they will believe. But, for sure, they will find out.
Haven’t we had “guides”, sent by Father to help us along our way, here on earth? If you don’t think so, why are you still teaching? Still holding meetings? Still even communicating with others? Why not just stow away from everyone and let it come to you? The bible tells us, that NO PART OF THE BODY OF CHRIST can say to another, “I have no need of you”.
I KNOW that there are levels, or realms, or as Mr. Monroe chooses to call them, focuses, that we will travel through to reach the FULLNESS of it all MANIFESTED, in this realm and the invisible realm.
Now, I want you to see how Mr. Monroe experienced different levels.
QUOTE: “I never asked the “guides” exactly what their role was in human earth pattern. I assumed they were simply a graduate school version the ex-human helpers from the outer rings. Their mode of operation and purpose seemed very similar, except that the “guides” had knowledge and technology far beyond that drawn from the human experience. The fact that they seemed to be independent of the recycling rings supported this belief. To pose questions about motives seemed—irreverent. Or perhaps I didn’t want to endanger the good thing I had going for me.”
Here are some of the conversations, between Mr. Monroe and his “guides”:
QUOTE: “GUIDE: You encountered a condition similar to that which your scientists call a standing wave, where two like energies in phase appear to cancel on another to zero. Yet there is no zero, as energy does not cancel, it transforms into other dynamic states.”
QUOTE: “Mr. Monroe: So now I supposedly knew what happened. But that didn’t explain where I was. If I asked…..”
Guide: “Where” is a relative term. The most reasonable explanation from your perspective is that you are just outside the portal, the gate to our reality, a conversion point.”
Mr. Monroe: Well!! There are gates to heaven, after all. I guess they could be construed as golden and/or pearly, if you thought heaven was beyond.”
GUIDE: “You are correct in your assumption. IT IS ALL FROM WITHIN THE OBSERVER. You will become aware of such reality at an appropriate point.”
This was just the beginning of Mr. Monroe finding out that “as a man thinketh, so is he”. Mr. Monroe does a lot of growing in all the OBE that he has had. He saw Light Beings; he saw ordinary people; and found that everyone was to help each other, move on in their journey.
Now, when Mr. Monroe met or saw his wife, after she had passed on. (He was still alive in the physical body, but in an OBE. We must remember that he had shared all of his research in OBE, with his wife, Nancy. This is when she is passing over, in the hospital:
QUOTE: “It was the end of hospital visiting hours. In Nancy’s room, I bent over her and kissed her forehead.
“Are you sleepy?”, he asked.
“You look better tonight.”
“Mmmm. I’m fine.”
“Want to go play later?”
“In, in Focus 27”
“Yes, for starters”, He said.
“Yes”, she said.
“I’ll see you later”.
“I love you.”
“I love you too.”
At around eight in the evening, we received an urgent call from the hospital, and were at her bedside by nine. Her arms and hands were limp and cold, and she was breathing in short, deep gasps followed by a long pause. But it was looking into her unblinking eyes that tome me. Nancy was no longer there.
Later, the Lifeline team (of the invisible realm) reported that they had taken her to Focus 27 sometime between seven-thirty and eight, and that she was safe and warmly greeted there. This was approximately the time the hospital noted the beginning of her terminal breathing (the medical people call it Che^ne-Stokes).
Two nights after her departure, I thought I had calmed down enough to attempt to visit her. Which I did. The result was an emotional explosion that included every nuance existing between two humans deeply in love, all up-front and simultaneous, without the limitations of time and physical matter. It was a great effort to return, and it took days to recover.
A second attempt, a week later, brought the same results. It was simply too much to handle. Until I learned more, I had to put up a shield that restricts any kind of nonphysical activity on my part. I now have a new challenge, a massive adjustment to make. One that I hadn’t considered. A very new direction. Can I live in two worlds at the same time? With Nancy in 27 and me here? I don’t know. “ UNQUOTE
When Mr. Monroe first started his research, he was not a God person. But somewhere in his journeys, he did find God. HE came to the edge of what he thinks is the fulfillment of God, you will have to read it for yourself. I wholeheartedly suggest you read his books and let your Inner Being led you as to what you see as Truth. I found this wonderfully enlightening and found many conformations to my thinking, before I read these books. I will be experimenting with the OBE in the months to come and will keep you updated. Be blessed.
Mr. Monroe’s Books:
1) Out of the Body
2) Far Journey
3) Ultimate Journey
I want to finish up with this part of our study. I have received some very interesting responses, to this study. Most are very encouraging, a couple not. But, I still stand by why I think it is a USEFUL thing to learn Out of Body Experiences. (OBE).
As we know, the natural mind has had us living an illusional experience. An experience so convincing that we have, for most of our physical life, believed truly was life. And now, with our awakening to the Truth of Who and What we are, all I can say is, “Thank you for the illusion that I have been living in, for it was for a learning and for an experiencing.”
But, I want to make this clear. When I was a drunk, it wasn’t a pleasant thing to admit (and remember, even when I was a drunk (in my and others’ thinking) it did not change the Truth of Who and What I really was.) But, it was a part of life that I was meant to experience. And then, when I accepted Jesus as my Saviour, THAT was another part of life that I was to experience.
Now, KNOWING Who and What I AM is still a part of life that I AM to experience.
Now even though nothing or no one can take that Truth away from me, BUT the TRUE IDENTITY HAS NOT MANIFESTED FULLY THROUGH ME YET. Does that mean that I AM not Who and What I know that I am? NO, as I said nothing and no one can change that Truth. There are times when we CAN AND DO live within I AM. There are times when ONLY He is seen, through and in me. But, also, there are times when I ALLOW MY FOCUS TO FALL back to the illusional person I have thought that I AM. And I will go on learning or experiencing UNTIL the Truth of Who and What I AM manifests. My searching, IN NO WAY MEANS THAT I HAVE DOUBTS ABOUT WHO I AM, but as the processing goes on, I will go on learning and seeking until there is a time when my Mind does not fall into anything but His thoughts and knowing.
There are those who will say, “Well Linda, you can’t say you know, one minute, Who you are and the next minute don’t show that knowing”. To them I would say, “Look I don’t tell you HOW, WHO, WHEN or WHERE to be Who you think you are, so you work out YOUR OWN salvation YOUR WAY, and I will do the same MY WAY”. We all do not move at the same pace. We all have things worked and rising up with in us in different ways. EVERY DAY when we focus on out Truth, He rises within us, more of Him is seen. Some think that they can just walk around CLAIMING Who they are, some don’t. I don’t think that just claiming it is going to make anything appear any quicker that was planned to appear.
In God there is no time. So, I am in no hurry. I take it day by day. And EVERYTHING that I am interested in; curious about; things I want to learn more about; is all for a reason. And that reason is so that as I awaken more and more, I see EVERYTHING as God sees them. I KNOW ALL THINGS, is the honest truth; but, while this natural mind still is allowed to operate in me, then these things that I am curious about, the things that I want to learn and the things that I am interested in, IS PART OF MY AWAKENING.
Nothing happens by chance. And I hope that each one of you will stand up and say, confidently, “I HAVE NO FEAR OF SEARCHING OUT ANYTHING!! I will try whatever I feel like trying without fear that I have a God that will punish me for it. You see, the God, I AM, that I know, DOES NOT PUNISH!
Some people have told me that I should not apologize for anything that I write. KNOW THIS, I DON”T APOLIGIZE FOR WHAT I WRITE. Remember, I am not one who will stand up and tell you that you are wrong for what you believe, you can only believe what is revealed to you, FROM WITHIN, and once that happens, no one can take that understanding away from you. It can be built upon, but not taken.
So, the way I see it, regarding this OBE is this. I have gone step by step to get to where I have been brought in my understanding, so other step by step experiences will not change my outcome. I AM WHO I AM, and nothing will change that fact; but more steps will definitely be added to my journey until the manifestation is FULLY manifested.
Haven’t you heard it said that EDUCATED, really EDUCATED people are really hard to get them to understand a spiritual way of a thing? They have to see things in the way they are meant to see things. Pentecost people, (excuse me, no offence meant) are the hard headest people to make them see that there is not going to be a rapture, BUT, they have a path meant for them to awaken with; so I just say, do it the way you feel you are to go.
There is one thing that I feel, about myself; I have learned all I can learn with the natural mind. I have come to the place of knowing, for me, that now the only way I can gain understanding of allowing the manifestation of I AM to fully manifest in and through me, is spiritually. To me, OBE is as spiritual as any other thing I have learned with my mind. I feel that the Mind of Christ can work with an OBE as it can by me sitting and listening to tapes and reading writings that others put out. I can’t let the Law of the OT rule my life. What I can do and what I can’t do. Because IF I DO, I HAVE FALLEN FROM GRACE. (Gal. 5)
I know what some will say, “Linda, you can’t fall from grace, YOU ALREADY ARE WHO HE TELLS YOU THAT YOU ARE”. And yes, I do understand that, but I am seeking the manifestation of His Finished Work. I was told that I have never lived in a body, the true me, but I would ask, then why are we told to put on immortality, and about the changing of the body? This is what I mean. I cannot and will not tell anyone that they are wrong about what they tell me, but I will say, MAYBE MY JOURNEY IS TO BE DIFFERENT FROM YOUR JOURNEY. If anyone sees that I might be wrong in wanting to experiment with OBE, then don’t turn around and tell me in the next breath that God is ALL IN ALL.
I know that many will share their opinion about things that might seem “wrong’, and that is fine. But, I see no wrong in anything. I will learn from EVERYTHING I do. There is no right way or wrong way to learn. One thing I now for sure is that I AM ONE WITH I AM, and NO PLACE I GO OR NOTHING I DO, will be done without I AM. I am excited about deep searching in OBE. I expect to learn WHAT to expect, when one steps out of the physical body, whether in “death” or by OBE. I will keep you all posted on my progress. I understand that it takes some longer to experience OBE than others.
I got an email from a sister, and a Christian I might add, has been having OBE for the past 35 yrs. I am sure she has learned a lot. And remember, all we have to do about what we learn, is to ASK HIM. I do expect to learn a lot. I would like to share what my best friend (one of them) shared with me. I know her honesty like I have known only a few people, so I share this with you, with her permission.
Hi My Sweet Friend,
With each experience there has been a flooding of my spirit with loving affection…as Floyd always had for me. My heart is always lifted and I sense his joy in being released from the body and free to visit and help anywhere from where he is. I also felt his approval and happiness for Mario & me in our union…he would not have wanted me to be alone when he had to leave. I also felt a release into a greater closeness with Mario as Floyd released me completely when he crossed over.
I was shown that my time with Floyd extended his life for a few more years, even though to some folks it looks the reverse. When I met him all he wanted to do was cross over and he was well on his way. He made the conscious decision to stay longer because he saw how much encouragement he could be to the folks we touched all across America…with Floyd, he was so good at presenting what he wanted others to see…you know, “foolish Jedai mind trick”…
Anyway, the funniest visit was Tuesday when I was about to fix breakfast and suddenly I found myself making an omelet with salad exactly the way we used to make them nearly every morning when we were staying with friends in their homes…I haven’t done this in years…I really had to laugh and I realized Floyd was also having a good time through me!
In our meditation Saturday night there was a special presence. We were at the home of a friend whose partner had crossed over exactly 1 year before and she had requested a special ceremony for him. I realized the timing of Floyd’s crossing was also very much in line with this as I was made much more sensitive to what she was feeling and was able to minister to her with so much more empathy. Floyd was also very present to assist. During the meditation I found myself above the house looking down at the garden at a circle of 8 lights…the number of new beginnings. When I opened my eyes, I was shocked to see how low I was sitting in the room because I perceived myself to be much higher as if sitting on the shelf above me. I have been having OBEs for many years so this is nothing new for me, but it was special because of the theme.
I look forward to hearing of your OBEs…I believe many will be having many more of these kinds of experiences as they are freed to know this is nothing to fear. Thanks again for writing the things you are seeing, my precious friend. You are welcome to share my experiences with ones you know will not misunderstand.
I love you,
In a message dated 3/9/2007 2:22:24 A.M. GTB Standard Time, firstname.lastname@example.org writes:
Hi Sunny ONe, I am writing up the last part of my study and want to include your thinking on OBE. Is there anything in the email below, that you would rather I not put in the study? Your wish is my command. I do appreciate you sharing. I like gutsy people!! LOL
I just read it through and there is nothing I can see that would not be OK with me to include, especially if it encourages folks to the understanding that these things are as natural for us as breathing…some just don’t know this so they are blocked in fear of doing something that would displease God…I am so happy we are being released more and more to be who we really are…hallelujah!!!
There are so many wonderful experiences for us to enjoy…eye has not seen nor ear heard the things God has planned for those who love Him…but He is revealing them to his own. When we have a special experience, though we want so much to share the blessing with others, we sometimes hesitate for fear of being misunderstood or rejected…truth be known, I am sure many have been having these kinds of experiences for a long time…perhaps if I share about mine it will encourage others to share their experiences too…
(You are welcome to also include the above statement if it suits your theme…I am honored to be a part of your wonderful writing!)
I love you, Sis!
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Let me say this. There is no such thing as DEATH. Jesus did away with it when He destroyed the “devil”. (Heb.2:14-15) So there is no such thing as communicating with the “dead”. There is communicating with those OUT OF THE FLESH BODY! We are surrounded by them. (Heb 12:1).
There is no such thing as a sinner. Remember the Atonement was in place BEFORE we were brought forth out from with Father. And remember we were brought forth perfect, in His Image, and that has not changed one bit. He sees me and He sees you just the way He brought us forth, as HIM and HIM as us. WE are the ones seeing things differently. But, thank God for the Plan. The plan is rising within us. Awakening us. HOWEVER, we are meant to be awakened. WE will/are seeing the same as He is seeing, but it has to become a manifestation of the Truth that He is allowing us to see. It won’t be long. And until the manifestation is FULLY CALLED FORTH, I will do whatever I feel to do to KNOW all I can. I say this because of something that He spoke from within me years and years ago.
He said, “Linda, you don’t know a thing until you experience that thing”. This has stuck with me, lo these many years. And these flesh bodies MAY be a part of the illusion, (although I don’t think that) but even if they are, then we will still learn when we go out of them, into the REAL CONDITION. Myself, I believe it is not the outer that is to be done away with, the outer is just to be changed as the INNER manifests.
Jesus overcame the things of this world. And yes, He overcame them IN THIS WORLD. So will we. We cannot LEAVE THIS WORLD, the Spirit or invisible realm IS A PART OF THIS WORLD. It is just SEEING this world as it was created, that comes into view. Even an OBE is in this world.
The desire to have an OBE is immature, and will only lead to confusion, I was told. But, aren’t we told that what we focus on is what we can expect? I am not searching for or focusing on confusion. As a man thinketh, so is he. I think that there is MUCH to learn, by ways other than by someone teaching us. (I am not saying that we don’t need teaching, IF that is the path that has been led for us). I am not desiring to communicate with the DEAD, I am looking forward to communicating with those who I KNOW HAVE ETERNAL LIFE, which is all who have stepped out of the flesh.
Many that have stepped out of the flesh body, left Adam behind before they stepped out of the body, many did not. I believe WE can be of help to them, just as others have been a help in us coming to the place we are at, in HIM. This isn’t about loved ones that has stepped out of the flesh, this is about “those without us cannot come into completion” (Heb 11:40) They are as much of HIM as anyone else is. They came out from within Him just as all did, and they need the same help we have had in coming to know their true Identity. Those in the invisible realm are as real as they were when they lived here on earth. They are not ghosts, phantoms, or imaginary beings. They are the same I AM, that I AM or you are. The only think different in them and us, is that we still possess a body and they don’t. That is the ONLY DIFFERENCE. God is no respecter of persons, so who are we to be?
I have been told that the OBE is Anti-Christ. I do not stand in agreement with this statement. I see NO ANTI-CHRIST. IF there is none in God’s eyes, how can there be in my eyes, IF I am in agreement with HIM. Oh yes, Paul and some of the disciples spoke of Anti-Christ, but remember they were MEN and I personally thing that we have by far passed them. Excuse me if this offends some of you, but this is my opinion. One thing I know, is that if Paul or any of the disciples saw evil, anti-christ, wrong, then they were NOT seeing as I AM sees.
I was told this: Sure Linda, all shall eventually come to know the true God and Its offspring Christ, the image of God, but that is a different subject, what we are talking about is whether the phenomenon of OBE, is a spiritual experience or a spiritualistic or psychic experience. Are there dead Adams in shoal and can we communicate with the dead that have already, what you call passed over?
Let us look at this. You said to me–The “flesh body that they have been living in, can die” Linda, nobody ever lived in a body, so as I previously said; In Truth an out of the body experience is out of the question and a desire to communicate with dead loved ones while in this trance state is an abomination unto the Lord. These experiences are known as spiritualism, occult practices that seems so real but are a deception. Check out the scriptures below, maybe you can discern what I am talking about, Deut. 18:10-14 (KJV)
As much as I love this person, I just can’t agree. First of all, like so many others that I have talked with, I do not see “Christ” as they do. I see Christ as the LIFE of I AM. Not the flesh man Jesus. Yes He was Jesus the Christ, during His earthly ministry; but, if you notice He became called Christ Jesus. Which tells me that in His early ministry, He was Jesus, the anointed of God. But, at the end of this earthly ministry, He became THE ANOINTING. I don’t see Christ as a person, but instead the Life of God.
Another place I see in what this person shared is this. “NOBODY EVER LIVED IN A BODY”. I can’t agree with this. For one, even IF no one ever lived in a body, this is the dream we are awakening from and must go through what we must go through to manifest our true Identity. The way I see it, is yes we do and will live in a body. Not the kind of body we know now. Why would we be told that the body WILL CHANGE, no corruption will be in it, death will not be able to touch it, it will not be flesh and blood, as we know it. It will be a body as Jesus walked in. He could appear when and where He wanted; He did not have to die as these mortal bodies do, He chose to lay down His life, and yet He was seen in a body. When He walked through a wall, He spoke to His body to change to make it possible. I believe that God desires to be seen, not only with Spiritual eyes, but in a body that HE sees through with His nature, regarding all that He sees. You see, death cannot touch a Spirit, so what was being talked about in 1Cor. when it spoke of putting on immortality. It is immortality of the body, because WE ALREADY HAVE ETERNAL LIFE.
Please understand, I am not talking about having OBE so I can visit with all my loved ones who have Passover into the invisible realm. I want to minister just as He leads me to minister here, to WHOEVER He leads me to minister to in the invisible realm. This is not a desire to go visiting loved ones.
Number one, I do not believe that any relationship I have had with a person here, in the flesh, will be the same relationship I would have with them in the invisible realm. But, this is my opinion. And I am not forcing my opinion on anyone, but I WILL FIND OUT as I have OBE. The scriptures that I was given was all OT scripture and as we all know, ALL HAS CHANGED FROM THAT COVENANT!! There are NO DEAD to communicate with, only SPIRIT BEINGS. And all of God.
I was told that OBE will only lead me further into the darkness of the un-conscious. Well, IF I believed in darkness, maybe this would be true. But I don’t. What I have to do if something looks like darkness to me, is to seek HIM in the midst of it, and Light will shine through to show me, HIM. I do not see evil or darkness. How can we when we know that God is all in all. IF light and darkness are the same to Him, who are we to say differently. There is no “evil spirit” in people, just “beliefs” that will leave at the appointed time that one awakens. There is, as I said at the beginning, ONLY ONE SPIRIT, and that is God. Instead of looking for “darkness or evil” in a thing, discern what GOD is working in a situation. See it HIS WAY.
I AM a Spirit. The same Spirit that we call God. There is ONE SPIRIT. I know that the flesh man Jesus, experienced OBE, reading the minds of others and a lot of things that we are “warned” by the church to have nothing to do with. I feel no “guilt”, if there is such a thing, I feel no boundaries as to where I can go, on this earth or off of this earth. As I said I was told at the beginning of the year, that I would be writing things out of the ordinary, so I come prepared to be obedient as to what I gain. Actually, I do not want to be one of those, who for years and years and years, keep sharing the same truth over and over, just doing it with different words.
The I AM that I AM, is an ever moving Being, and He does not go over and over the same thing after He has risen higher in us. I don’t know about you, but I have grown weary of hearing the same thing over and over. HE doesn’t get stuck in a rut, and I don’t want to either. This may be considering “carnal” of me to some, but that is ok, they are allowed their thoughts.
So, my friends, I leave this with you, to think as you will think about it. If you feel that I need prayer, by all means pray for me. And those who feel led to do something that others might think you should or shouldn’t do, let HIM lead you.
So, I will be in contact as I learn more about this subject, and if you had rather not hear from me about it, all you have to do is make me aware of your wishes and when I send something out on the subject, I will leave your address out without any feeling of offence.
I love you all, and just want to pass along what I am shown, be it of Him, or a mistake that I might make. I am not above admitting making a mistake, Lord knows. I have made many, but, the good thing is, He always raised me up and had me start all over again. It is the mistakes that we make and don’t learn from that causes us problems.
One great thing is this, REPENTANCE is all that is needed when we make a mistake. But, the important thing about repentance means that we don’t just confess it with out mouth, we TURN AND WALK THE OPPOSITE WAY that we were walking. His is quick to forgive, and He cannot be fooled. Amen.
It is understandable for a child to be afraid of the dark; but, why would an adult be afraid of the LIGHT?
WHAT HAPPENS WHEN WE PASS OVER, Parts 1-6 [Linda Keith] Feb.-Mar., 2007 1