THE WORDS THAT FATHER GIVES
BY: LINDA KEITH
JULY 7, 2005
I was going to wait, to write this, until I got the tapes from the Amarillo meeting; but, I feel led to do it this way instead. Funny, how when we hear from Father, it’s such a joy. And yet, as many of you who teach and minister probably know, there are times when Father gives us a Word, that we wonder, “how in the world am I going to be able to tell this?”
We know that He knows best, and knows what must be revealed to His people, but we allow the carnal mind to jump in and say, “NO ONE is going to accept this.” Then we calm down and get alone and allow Him to draw us back UP into Him, and we know, “HE knows best, so, so be it.”
This is what happened with me before I left for Amarillo. Father spoke a Word to me, actually, a few of them and I wondered how I could give them. I spoke with Bro. Madison, at our local meeting and explained what Father had said. He said, “You know what, He showed me the same thing”. I trust Bro. Madison and depend on his honesty, so I was ready to go to Amarillo, to be slaughtered. Joking. But, I did dread what I was to give. I knew that there would be at least ONE person who would be there to hear and confirm that He was speaking the same thing to them. He is so good, He never leaves us on our own. And although, we know Who and What we are, if we’re not careful, we allow the carnal mind to pop up; that is when we have to take every thought, captive.
I caught my plane, out of Pittsburg, Pa., at 8:30 am, and arrived in Dallas, TX about 11:30. I was to meet Marlene in Dallas, and then we had to catch another plane, on to Amarillo. Marlene is always an encouragement and brings with her, Father’s peace. It was good to be with her again. Jim and Melba Crofford met us at the airport and they were awesome. Such love. It sort of engulfed me. We got to the hotel and checked in and went to the Friday night meeting.
I was still feeling the dread, but was ready to get up and give what Father had given me, when He said to. We met Tony den Hartog and her wife, Martha and I knew them right away, even though we had not met, in person before. I felt such a loving strength from Tony. And the love that came forth from Martha made me feel that I had known them forever (which I have). I think that some had had a meeting before the scheduled meetings began (maybe the night before).
We began praising Father. I noticed, right away, that there were all levels of Father’s Life in the folks there. The main thing I noticed and I have had ministers tell me that we aren’t suppose to FEEL, but I noticed and I felt such real love coming from everyone there. Now, before I go into what was given by others that were there and felt led to share, I want to give you what Father had given me before I left.
I am not an early bird. So when I was awakened at 3 am, I knew that Father was about to speak. So, I sat up against my pillow and listened… I got ready for a teaching. Got my pen and paper from beside the bed and was ready. To my surprise, Father said, “My people have two idols; the bible and the man Jesus”. Well, I thought, “Oh boy, here we go again.” I took this to Father every day and every night for two weeks. It was getting close to time for the Amarillo meeting and I really wanted to know what it was all about.
From the time I first accepted Jesus as my Saviour, I have NEVER known Jesus as anything, but Father God. I took it for granted that everyone else did too. But, in the church system, some of the brothers and sisters have a way of making you know you’re wrong, before, they ever even hearing what you have received. So, I don’t argue the fact of Who Jesus was/is. I tell what I know and I leave it for others to do with it, whatever they choose to do.
What did Father mean when He said, “My people have made the man, Jesus, an idol? Well, to begin with even some of the “more mature” still hold onto some of the church teachings. Jesus is one of those teachings.
1Tim. 3:16, “And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness; God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels; preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory.”
John 1:1, “In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God and the Word was God.”
John 1:14, “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as the only begotten of the Father, full of grace and truth.”
Now, in 1 Timothy, WHO manifested in the flesh? Jesus or God? It tells us that God manifested. It also tells us that it was GOD who preached to the Gentiles. He, God, was justified in the Spirit, as He has always been and will always be. Because HE is that Spirit.
OK, in John 1:1, we are told that the WORD was with and WAS GOD. Notice and here is where some are going to get their hairs up, but notice it does not say, “The Son, Jesus, was with God and was God. It says the WORD was God. Look at:
1 John 5:7, “For there are three that bear record in heaven, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost; and these three are one.”
It does not say the Father, the Son and the Holy Ghost. It says, the Father, the Word and the Holy Ghost. AND the three are ONE.
Now, I know, some are already saying, “oh my God, are you doing away with Jesus?” No, no I’m not. But, we MUST KNOW who Jesus was before manifestation can take place… at least, manifestation of the Father. Now, let’s look at Isaiah:
Isaiah 9:6, “For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given; and the government shall be upon his shoulder; and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counselor, The Mighty God, The Everlasting Father, the Prince of Peace.”
Now, how many Fathers do we have? ONE! How many Mighty Gods do we have? ONE. Now, we’re told that GOD manifested in the flesh. And He did. It was God who manifested as the Son. You say, “How can that be? How can God be both Father and Son?” It’s easy. He can do all things. We have gotten to used to analyzing everything with the brain, when all along He has had it so simple to understand, IF, we allow HIM to show us.
First, ask yourself, WHY did God manifest in the flesh? Because He knew that that wonderful man that He had created in His Own Image had become so use to using the carnal mind and HAD to see something in order to believe anything. I like the way Philippians says it: (in the Living Bible)
Phil. 2:5-6, “Your attitude should be the kind that was shown us by Jesus Christ, who, though he was God, did not demand and cling to his rights as God, but laid aside his mighty power and glory, taking the disguise of a slave and becoming like men.”
Ever since Father gave me the Word, that I entitled “Re-Happenings,” He has steadily been adding to those Re-Happenings. Now, this is the second part of what Father gave me, regarding this.
He said, “Jesus taught in parables, and HE IS A PARABLE OF YOU, My people.”
WOW! I thought, oh boy, they’ll have their guns and knives ready for me when I speak these Words. Now, I ask you to just for a little while, lay aside your anger, shock and surprise, and PREVIOUS teaching about Jesus. Take this to Father.
The written word tells us that Jesus is the PATTERN SON, right? What do you do with a pattern? You cut out the material and then discard the pattern. You make your piece of clothing or whatever you are using the pattern to make. Think on this, “Jesus is the Pattern Son.” What did Philippians tell us? That God took upon Himself, A DISGUISE”. The disguise was a human, flesh man. God even brought His name along with Him.
Matt. 1:21-23, “And she shall bring forth a son, and thou shalt call his name JESUS… for he shall save his people from their sins. Now all this was done, that it might be fulfilled which was spoken of the Lord by the prophet saying, Behold, a virgin shall be with child, and shall bring forth a son, and they shall call his name Emmanuel, which being interpreted is, GOD WITH US.”
I want to say something about the “name.” God does not have a name. All names are MAN MADE. The reason the name, Jesus, is name above all names is because “God with us” is a being, a nature, not a man. “God with us” takes in all that Father is in us, and all that we are IN HIM. We have forgotten Who we are. But, ask Father about BEFORE WE manifested into this flesh realm; we were in Him, we were His Being, we were His Substance, and we still are. Just as HE NEVER CHANGES, neither have nor do we! Only the thoughts have changed! But, He is reminding us.
Do you want to think of something really awesome? WE were IN GOD when He allowed Moses, Jacob, Abraham and all the rest, to MANIFEST IN THE FLESH REALM! WE were in God, watching it all take place! We watched as all of the Old Testament took place!! Think on it. WHO were we then? Well, IF we were in Him, IF we were His Substance, IF we were His Being, we were HIM! So much a part of Him, we could not be told apart from HIM. Folks, we STILL ARE!
Now, about the flesh man, Jesus. God knew that we had fallen into such an illusional way of thinking, depending on PROVING things in the flesh, because WE thought we had become flesh, water and blood; that there had to be blood and water shed in this earthen realm.
1 John 5:8, “And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the Water, and the blood; and these three agree in ONE.”
There had to be a flesh body to die; there had to be water and blood shed from that flesh body to be a PATTERN for us to follow. God became Jesus, the Son. He stepped into a flesh body and lived a life in the flesh. He was, as the flesh man Jesus, what we could call God’s own soul. It has been our illusional thinking that our soul has been separated from our Father God, so He (God), used His Soul (Jesus the flesh man) to die and shed saving blood and water cleansing that was and had the Spirit. He took us, our soul, right along WITH Him when He went to the Cross. Again, we WATCHED the Pattern. And became the garment. We rose as the Son, a many-membered Son and Father God rose right back into HIS original position, OF FATHER and WE BECAME THE SON. We are told:
EPH 3:15, “Of whom the whole family in heaven and earth is named,,, vs. 17… That Christ may dwell in your hearts by faith…”
Do you know how many people believe that “JESUS” lives in us? Most of them. Jesus does not live in us, Christ does. Christ is anointing. Anointing is our Father’s life. It is Father’s life that lives in us. Jesus the flesh man cannot live in another flesh body. Only the Spirit can. And that Spirit that lived in the flesh man Jesus was God our Father. Mankind NEEDED a flesh man to come and live as man, disguised as man, without sin to live, as a Pattern, and to die so that that Spirit could live and manifest through us. Can God die? Absolutely not! So, He had to become a flesh man, to show us a sacrifice that had already been given BEFORE the foundation of the world (Rev 13:8). There is no time, in God, so I do understand with the brain the words, “Oh HOW SOON we forget.” Our FATHER’S NAME IS JESUS, THE FATHER.
God was the flesh man Jesus. I am taking nothing away from His word as the Son. Without it, we would not be remembering WHO we are. How could any man be as faithful, as worthy, as pure as Jesus was, if that person wasn’t God in the flesh? Once Father had done His work as the Son, for a pattern, we are told:
2 Cor 5:16, “Wherefore HENCEFORTH (or once you have known God as a flesh man, from now on) know we NO MAN after the flesh; yea, though we have known CHRIST after the flesh, yet NOW HENCEFORTH know we HIM no more.”
It doesn’t speak of us knowing Jesus after the flesh; it says know CHRIST, or God’s Life, no more after the flesh. We are to know Him as He is. Folks we cannot manifest something that we don’t know. Yes, as babes we knew Jesus the Son. We thought there was the Father, AND Jesus the Son, two. But, now we are to leave behind our childish thinking. If we don’t know Father, we can’t manifest Him. For even more Word:
Titus 1:3, “…God our Savior.”
1 Tim.1:1, “…by the commandment of God our Savior.”
1Tim 2:3, “…For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior.”
I know, many may not agree with this, but that’s ok. We are told, “first the natural and then the spiritual’. I look at this with all things. That includes the Kingdom of God. Now, in the natural, there are all different levels in a kingdom. In a natural kingdom, there is the King, the King’s Son, heirs, servants, and the common people. It is my belief, and you don’t have to agree with this, but in God’s Kingdom, which is within us, there is the Father. The Father is the One with the power, the authority and HE is the possessor of all things. Then, there is the Son. The Father gives the Son, power and authority that he can use. But, it is the Father’s power. It is HE that gives it to the Son. Then, there are heirs, who never possess what they have inherited. There are servants. We are told that we are no longer servants, but Sons and friends. The servant knows not the Father’s business. But, some insist on being servants, which is ok. And then there are those who are just satisfied being a Christian.
As I watched and listened to different ones, in the meetings, Father spoke again. Remember when the church used to tell us; “CHOOSE TODAY WHO YOU WILL SERVE.” Well, sitting in the meeting Father spoke and said:
“CHOOSE TODAY WHO YOU WILL BE!”
I know that there are those who believe that WE have nothing to do with what we will appear as – or nothing to do with anything. But we do. We are told: “Work out your own salvation”. “Purify yourselves”. Now, to me this sounds as though I have a part in this. Especially, if we KNOW WHO WE ARE. So, “Choose today WHO YOU WILL BE”. Will you stop at being a Christian? Or Will you stop at being an heir? Or Will you stop at being a servant? Or Will you stop at being a Son? OR WILL YOU FOLLOW THE PATTERN AND GO ON BACK TO BEING FATHER? Some will call this blasphemy and those who Father is giving understanding of this are going on to being ONE with Father.
I forget the name of a brother at the meeting that said something about, “people are running around thinking that they are little gods.” I wish I had the tape so I could be exact on this, but these words were spoken. I am not running around saying “I am a little God”. I am saying what God said, as the man Jesus, “Jesus thought it not robbery to be equal with God”. You know why Jesus thought that way? It is because He knew Who He really was. “My Father and I are One.” I, too, know Who I am. As He is, so am I in this world… or in this arrangement of the cosmos.
Rev. 12:5, “And she brought forth a MAN child, who was to rule ALL nations with a rod of iron; and her child was caught up unto (into) God, and to his throne.”
This was a full grown, matured man. So, are we. This is talking about US. You say, “How can we be full grown?” Easy. Our life has been hid in Christ. This word “rule” means “shepherd.” The word “rod” is the authority of Father. Only a Father has Authority. The word “throne” speaks of power and authority. That belongs to the Father. He gives His Son power and authority, but it is actually the Father’s. We can ONLY MANIFEST what our focus is on! Take it or leave it. We are not robbing Jesus of anything. Because He is no longer the Son, YOU ARE! It is the Saviours who will come forth from Mt. Zion that will bring the world to Father, using the Father’s power and authority. The Son is the rod that Father uses to rule with Him.
Also, Chris, Jim and Melba’s son, spoke something that just lit up my being. He said, “The young of this generation will not and are not going through the process of the previous generation.” And he’s right. It brought to mind the words, “The last will be first” and “Except that the Lord had shortened those days, no flesh should be saved; but for the elect’s sake, whom he hath chosen, he hath shortened the days”. Now, I know these verses speak of other things, but His elect is His elect regardless of when these words were spoken. I have seen some come off the street, come off of drugs, etc. and become so mature in Father… more so than some that have been in Pentecost for 30, 40 years! I am not saying that there’s anything wrong with Pentecost, but we should move on from there. We are told that in the NT and can see it in the Tabernacle of Moses. Yes, indeed, the process is being shortened, as far as time goes.
We heard quite a few speakers speak of “the day of ingathering”. And it is true. We are truly in that day and we are that day.
Then, the day that I was prepared to give this Word, Father spoke through another brother, Tom Holmquist. He said, “We must be careful what we say or we’ll kill the babes or the children”. As He spoke these words, I saw, first in the natural, the news reports of the way children are being killed, raped, harmed, maimed and crippled. It seems as though there’s a multitude of children being harmed. So, first the natural – then the Spiritual. The same thing is happening in the Spiritual. So, I knew that I could not give this word, with all the children there… (not children of age but in the Lord). When Tom spoke those words, I knew it was Father speaking to me. It was a hearing, listening and obeying lesson for me. Thank You, Father, and thank you, Tom, for your obedience.
I met and united with a precious sister, at these meetings. Her name is Deborah Domer. We were drawn immediately to one another. It was as if Father had given us BOTH this same Word. I received these words from her today;
“I am finally getting it! I am becoming aware of the ONE ETERNAL DAY… the REALITY OF LIFE; it seems that my attention span for anything else is diminishing. I am keenly aware of those I know in this place, in the purity of Love, by Spirit alone. We are joining together as ONE, and our Life is now by the Spirit. I revere and honor you. So many things, in the past, have demanded my attention – the earthly “issues” and even problems. These things have not necessarily changed, but they are now but a vapor. There is no place in my focus for an “issue” or a “problem.” Darkness cannot be relegated to a corner of the Light. To some, this Finished Work of Christ is a doctrine to be embraced, argued, received, rejected, etc. I will not contend. To me, this FINISHED WORK has become my ESSENCE OF BEING. I find myself having walked through the Door called the Cross. The death of my self is complete and there is no individual life for me outside the Spirit of LIFE – the LIGHT I am. My crucifixion was in Christ, and whatever I perceive outside the Law of the Spirit of Life, is nothing but my illusion, based on programming from the religious mindset I had embraced as truth. And there, I had an expectation of us. I write this, submitting to you, as witnesses of my heart – I submit that my own perfection has come in the Father. As He is, I am. There is nothing but Light and there is no darkness at all. No limitation, and full submission to the Holy Spirit, my Oneness in Father. I heard it clearly 3 nights ago – The measure that I accept my own perfection is the measure that I am able to expand in Life and Love. My perfection makes way for the unlimited, and perceives no need to grasp at a thing. My awareness is released into the purity of I AM. There is nothing to do.
This LIGHT is Substance of Love. And this I Am. Oh Hallelujah! I see it. I feel it! I am consumed in my thoughts by Love toward you and toward all Creation, and it is true! Creation is hearing My Voice! Thank you dear Georgia, for that song that resonates within me! I see them – the lame are leaping, the deaf are hearing, the blind are seeing… everything under the earth, in the earth, above the earth – Creation is hearing my voice… and waking to I Am-Love.” END OF QUOTE
I heard a word last night just before I closed my eyes to sleep. We have read: “The lion shall lie with the lamb.” I saw it differently last night. The lion is submitted into the Lamb. The LAMB IS THE LIGHT. The Lion is lying down INSIDE the Lamb. The Lion is a Voice, but the Lamb is the Light. There is no more war in all my holy mountain. No resistance. No dissention. It is only Light that does not contend with the darkness – there is no need.
Behold the Lamb of God or the “God-Lamb” – taking away – removing from all remembrance – our earth-bound consciousness. We are truly ascending and descending as the angels to the man, Jacob. And each time we descend there is a greater awareness of Light being brought into Creation. We bear a Blessing – The Name, transcending all other names. Transformation has come!
JULY 19, 2005
I have had many responses to part one of what has given me, regarding the idols that we have made of the man, Jesus, and the bible.
You know, there are so many, out there, that Father has revealed the same thing to. Some, not all, have been slow to speak this truth because if the reaction of CHRISTIANS. Others are shouting this truth that Father has given, to save His people from DECEPTION!
There is a scripture that everyone should look at, meditate on, and ask Father about it.
2 Tim. 3:16, “All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness, that the man of God may be perfect, thoroughly furnished unto all good works.”
As we all know, this book has been translated so many times and into so many different languages, as well as FROM different languages. When using the book, I start out with the King James Bible. IF you look at your King James you will find, ALL THROUGH it, words in italics. Every word in italics WAS ADDED BY THE TRANSLATORS!! You say, well what difference does that make?
Look at the above scripture. The word “IS” has been added. Read this verse without the added word and you get a totally different understanding:
“All scripture, given by inspiration of God, is…”
This does not tell us that ALL scripture was inspired of God. And there are so very many mistakes, made by the translators, that the only way to get TRUTH is to GO TO FATHER HIMSELF! Many get so upset to hear of mistakes in the written word. Why? Because it is their IDOL!! They use it to prove things that aren’t true; they use it to control; they use it to prove THEIR WISDOM; and they use it because it easier and quicker to read a scripture than it is to GO TO FATHER and WAIT for HIM to tell you things! This may sound a little harsh, but it’s time the truth was faced. This book DOES NOT take you to Father nor will it manifest the perfection that is in you… the very perfection that Father has said is NOW in us, and has always been. They argue this fact, because they have not been taught to ask Father; they were taught to depend on MAN and MAN doesn’t have it in him, to know TRUTH!
Man, when asked something, always has the same answers:
1) We are not to know all things. What trash!! Didn’t Jesus, Himself, say, “When the Comforter comes, He will teach you ALL THINGS; and you have no need that any man teach you.”
2) We will understand all things when we get to heaven. NEWS FLASH!! Heaven is here now. And we choose which we will be a part of, heaven or hell. Heaven is WITHIN YOU, and all you have to do is go within and dine with your Father. He will feed you. In the first churches, they always broke bread (ate) at their meetings. That is symbolic of WHERE we are to be fed. YOU ARE THE CHURCH. Father is IN HEAVEN. YOUR HEAVEN! The mind of Christ.
3) Man will tell you, “When these people say these things about the bible, they are blaspheming. Just stay where you are.” Well of course, if you left, that means they wouldn’t get your money. I challenge you to ask your teacher, preacher, pastor or whoever is the “Head” of your church; “what does the new testament say about tithing?” Guaranteed, he/she will take you back to the Old Testament. And when you try to live by that law, you fall from Grace. (Gal. 5:3-4)
4) Man will tell you, that these who are being awakened to TRUTH are cults. I’ve come to the conclusion that I’d rather be a cult than part of that Babylonian System, that millions call CHURCH! It’s just another RE-HAPPENING. They said the same thing about the flesh man, Jesus.
Father wants YOU to go to Him and ask your questions. He wants YOU to spend as much time praising HIM, as you do your pastors or mentors. Mentors! That’s one to look at too. Have you ever read or heard someone ALWAYS speaking of their MENTORS; acting as though no one but the mentor knows anything? Why put anyone on a pedestal, when Father told us to NOT think more highly of one person, than of another person! Yet, if this is brought up, they have an excuse for doing it! That person gave you NOTHING; The Holy Spirit did!!
I want to share some of the responses that I have received, after putting out this article. I won’t use their names, but initials;
Yes, we are being awakened to the god of the bible! As God clearly said to me a long time ago now, “My people have replaced me with the book! They have ceased to hear my voice even when the first pages of their god has told them that I speak to them. That I have raised them out of the dust of their existence that was, and spoke to them and walked with them. I have allowed them to have this other god so that they would realize that they have another god… that they cannot be awakened until they see that they are asleep”! This was one of those times I was sure that the very utterance of such words would be my destruction… not from God but surely from man… even though it was God himself who had told me that I would be taking a stand not to “save the lost” but to “wake up the body” that my stand would not be with those that were not asleep and who had not been allowed to have this other god, but to those that had! I would not be coming against flesh and blood, but against the spirit of religion and the book of religion… the god of man! That truth remains today! Often I am asked questions about these things by people who still have the “god of the book”, to which God gives me scriptures from the book to respond to them with. I asked God why He was giving me scriptures from the book as responses to these peoples when the intention was to tear them away from their “god,” to which God simply responded, I am giving them the words of their god… which will clearly also show them that their god has no life within it, and that even within it’s pages are the very instructions of hearing me… instead of reading about me, or applying what I’m supposed to have said to others to themselves.” DS
“Philippians 4:13 “I can do all things through Christ WHICH strengtheneth me.” I would venture to say that a majority of the times that I have heard various people quote the above verse; it is misquoted, obviously being misunderstood by the one quoting the verse. I most often hear: “I can do all things through Christ who strengthens me.” For everyone who either does not know or understand, Christ is NOT the Savior’s last name. The word Christ is a transliteration of the word Christos which is the Greek translation of the Hebrew word Messiah. Both of these words, Christos and Messiah, mean ANOINTED. In the above verse, notice the word “which.” The structure of the verse indicates strength from something, not someone. I heard for the many years I was within the church system (different denominations) that everything came from Jesus. The truth is, Jesus the man died at Calvary. (Hebrews 10) His body was not found in the tomb because it had been swallowed by The Christ in the resurrection, always identified as Christ Jesus after this event. We are to live today out of the anointing of God, not look at the historic man, Jesus. Yes, he was a real person. No, the man Jesus is not alive today. Allow The Christ to come alive within you to bring you to the goal stated by Father in Genesis 1:26: “let us make man in our image!” God is going to accomplish His desire for, and in, all mankind! The “Day of the Lord” is NOW! God always was and always will be. We are already in eternity because eternity always is. Time as we know it is a “man” generated thing. My little quote is “God doesn’t wear a watch.” Don’t look to the future; look within to the Christ of the NOW! Lift up your heads, redemption has drawn neigh; it is within each of us NOW!” FD.
“Of notable importance is the fact that GOD HIMSELF is going to raise up and build again the Tabernacle of David! God declared David to be a man AFTER HIS OWN HEART. What was that heart? ONENESS! He was saying that David’s heart was PATTERNED AFTER HIS! David had the Father’s heartbeat, the Spirit of His essence. This tabernacle was a single room where God and man could be together as ONE! There was only ONE piece of furniture in this tent and it was the Ark of the Covenant. For it was this Ark that was complete within itself concerning Passover, Pentecost, and Tabernacles. It was the place of the coming together of all things into ONE! But this Tabernacle would not be a tent as it was in David’s time, rather it would be a TEMPLE NOT MADE WITH HANDS!” (not sure who wrote this)
“Yes, Linda, this article is exactly as Jesus said… “the things concerning me shall have an end”… and that end is upon us all! Jesus made it clear… “no man cometh to the Father but by me, and no one cometh to me but first the Father draw him”… You cannot get to the Father, until you have first come the way of Jesus… then the things of Jesus come to an end… and you then come to the Father!! The Father had drawn those that come to Christ, and it is through that anointing… that we come to the Father!!! It was not even Jesus that was doing those things for him… or telling him in his earlier day what must be done… that he is then taken to the place of seeing it as it was… as Jesus even stated… “I can do nothing in and of myself… I say only what I hear the Father say, and I do only what I see the Father doing!!” There is no knowledge of good and evil… there is only knowledge of God, the Father and you see Him as He is! This truly is heaven… and we’ve all dwelt here as we are… the only thing that has separated us from this “realm” is the “sin consciousness” the “skull” (mind thinking) of taught words, and traditional learning that which flesh and blood teaches… to which those that are no longer flesh and blood… realize was never the teachings of the Father!! It’s a wonderful… wonderful place!
Thanks for sharing these emails with me… it’s a wonderful thing to see that our Father has shared this wisdom with so many… even those that have not shared them for fear of rejection!” DS
“This is again something that God showed me very clearly from the bible… that the people of the bible heard the voice of God… they relied not on another person, on a book, or even on the “anointing” of God… they heard the voice of God and was empowered by it! That it was out of those that heard the voice and were not taught of flesh and blood that the anointed of God said the “church” would be built and that the gates of hell would not prevail against it… it is those that hear the voice of God that often struggle with the voice of man and as Adam did, cannot bring themselves to do as God has said because of fear… but it is still the voice that is within them that is speaking. As children, many of us can recount the voice within us, even when we could not identify it as “God”. We knew the voice and that within it contained power and authority, and yet it was when we subjected ourselves to the teachings of flesh and blood that we put off that voice from within being taught that our hearts are evil! We then, turn away from the voice that is and has been within us since we began and turn to voices of flesh and blood and learn to live in a “world” realm lead by and ruled by “flesh and blood” hindered and locked up with the laws of the flesh! It is when God allows us to see this… to rid our minds of the bondage of the sin consciousness… the “knowledge of good and evil” is cut down at the root, that we are “restored” or “regenerated” to the time when we hearkened to the voice that was within … and begin to BE as we are!! It’s a wonderful and yet amazing thing to understand… and one to which sometimes words are very difficult to apply to … to adequately describe it all…. but to which those of us who understand it and have seen it… are compelled to try!
God told me a long time ago when He shared His will for me to “wake up the body of Christ”. I felt sure God had made a mistake in that comment… that He really meant to say “wake up those that are not part of the body of Christ”… for I was sure that it was the “body of Christ” that was awake! However, regardless of my thoughts… I knew what I had heard God say… and that was enough for me. Since that time, I have come to clearly understand what God meant in that… and that truly we are being “awakened unto righteousness” and it’s a wonderful thing to see and have knowledge of!” DS
What this sister says is so true. When Father gives us a Word and understanding of something so controversial, we tend to think “oh Father, I KNOW You don’t mean for ME to speak these words”. And He, oh so sweetly says, “No it is I who is going to do the speaking”. I praise Him, so wonderful, is He, which means, SO ARE WE!!
“But, if history proves that even a few of those allegations made in the course of the novel should be true – for instance, the de-feminization of the Church by those nasty Cardinals and other ‘birdbrains’, then the entire validity of the Biblical process is thrown into suspect.
In English … If there is even the slightest truth that scripture was altered [as it clearly appears to have been], then what if anything can be kept as clearly identified, REAL truth? And one cannot use the argument that we accept it by “Faith”, for blind stupidity doth not = Faith!
It used to be that the battle was over mere interpretation based on doctrinal BS, but now the battle lines are much more specific and it seems like everyone hath entered the fray! I think this must include the Science of Historical research.
Needless to say, I had to inquire through the use of “scientific Historical Research techniques” – you know, what I majored at in University! And I have found a lot of very interesting historical facts that ministers of all “ilk”, like to just gloss over, or swath away like a gnat by saying, “it means nothing – just do as I say.” Including the gross errors and blatant prejudices of what appears to be, the Fathers of the Canonized Bible!
I have never heard it taught from any Christian pulpit that other great ‘gods’ arose from the dead after being entombed for 3 days. In fact I have heard many great “men of God” say that this is what set Jesus apart, and was in fact the base of his “divinity.” [along with the immaculate conception – which is also not a new teaching at the time of Jesus birth]. Of course, the “Christian Brain Trust” would have to know about the more than 10 other, pre-Jesus figures from earlier religions. All of whom were deities or great prophets/leaders of a deity. In my book, just having 1 such example, is enough reason to question the basis of teachings I’ve heard. Note: I do not say to throw it out — just question it! The sheerly followers of all earthly ministry would do well to become truly Berea, methinks.
So I chose just one of the 10+ noted examples. His name is Soirees – a good old Egyptian boy/god. What a coincidence! I chose the almost Exact prototype of Jesus, although he existed centuries ahead of Judaism. It’s interesting that the Hebrews came out of the very culture that set up Soirees. And then out of the Judaic culture comes the exact same story, renaming the God-character Jesus.
Sorry Bo, but these historical facts challenge the heart of the erroneous book we’ve touted so blindly for so long. It requires answers that preppy ministerial quotes just don’t give.
But here’s the best part… if we tear out ALL of the iconology of this thing we call Christianity – I mean gut it right to the very barest of bones, then you are left with only one reality. Either God IS or he ISN’T!! Now that is much more simple to deal with than the 66 books of suspect stories of wild and woolly stories.
We’ve often talked about how we will be stripped to the barest of bare! I now believe that requires more than we thought – even the essence of our belief must go. Until one can abandon the book and live with just the knowledge that God Is, one still has clutter in their midst. Of course I understand that will never be popular among the ministry, since it is The Book that gives them license to exist. And the Book that gives the Rules to Live By so we know how everyone is doing. And the Book that gives the Plan so we know everything we possibly could about who what where and why God is.
But when the Book is gone. True understanding of one fact starts to take root and grow: God Is! And I now know that nothing else matters about His Plans, the prophets, the Church, etc. The only thing that matters is that God Is. And from that my relationship develops deeper than it ever has under the curtain of “Holy Scripture”.
There’s no preaching in this realm, because there are no preachers. There’s no “busy-ness” of Church, because all is at rest and the only thing that matters is, God Is! There’s no teaching and arguing and dragging others into the “right” doctrinal lineup. In this realm doctrine doesn’t exist. It simply fades in light of the reality that God Is!
I often joke about how the pages of the Holy Scriptures are actually the roadmap of 40 years Wilderness Wanderings. Perhaps this isn’t really a joke – but part of the veil that we used to speak about.
You see, I couldn’t listen to all the voices that were shouting how right they were. I couldn’t tell whether this teacher or prophet was right while others were “old order.” And I came to realize I didn’t like ANY of the “orders”. All they were doing was bringing forth more chaos – a bigger Void!
And lest you fear, No! I did not find my beliefs in the pages of Dan Brown’s novel. I just found it interesting that he would so blatantly attack the very structure that has hid the truth from everyone. And he used Historical data to throw the icons of the church into suspect. And, it’s a great way to open conversations by asking, “Hey, have you read the DaVinci Code…?” I love the various responses.
Humans need leadership! Because of the sheep factor I suppose. But if REAL leadership isn’t found, or if the path is too hard or unclear, then humans will take the easiest cop-out route they can find. Other humans capitalize on that. In politics we call it government subjugation of the masses. In Church worlds we call it Ministerial Hierarchy and Insight. In the real world it is all Bull…!
God Is! Nothing else matters. “He is”, covers everyone’s needs. The problem is that the churchy folk consider their wants to be needs. Humanity wants their “Want list to be covered under their “Needs” and thus makes God a cosmic Santa. Do I know where this leads? Do I have to? Does anyone NEED to know? Isn’t it enough just to know that God IS!?
Personally, I thank Dan Brown for having the guts to write a novel that challenges traditional doctrinal stupidity. If that is “superfluous” – may his tribe increase! And it is only a novel! It is not a historical study. It is not a thesis. It is a written-for-profit-novel that happens to stand out because it actually challenges the biggest icons of today. And it blatantly accuses the reader of being blind to history. And it forces one to decide if they know what they know or if they are foolishly following deceptions. “SC
I want to say this about this brother’s second paragraph. I once did a study of Paul, the disciple. EVERYONE should do this. Not a religious study, but all that can be found about him. What I found was really surprising. Even in the day of Paul and the disciples, people who didn’t agree with Paul’s (and other disciples) often STOLD the writings (the writings of the disciples were passed from meeting to meeting and read aloud). They would change the words of the writers to say what THEY (the thieves) believed.
2 Thess. 2:1-2, “NOW we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, and by our gathering together unto him. That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by Spirit, nor by word, nor by letter AS FROM US, as that the day of Christ is at hand.”
People would steal the letters and change the words, changing the meaning that the disciples MEANT for those folks at the meetings to have. IT IS STILL HAPPENING TODAY!
The Jews have their bible, the Muslims have their bible, all the denominations have their translating as to what scriptures mean. So what does this tell you? It tells me that I CANNOT depend on this IDOL! It tells me that ONLY by going to Father can I get and understand Truth. It DOES come down to one truth; like that brother said (above). All that matters is the knowing that GOD IS! With knowing, we will be what we truly are… ONE (in every way) with Father. Jesus is NOT between us and God. NOTHING is between us. WE ARE ONE!! If the IDOL is right, then look at IS 9:6. JESUS is, was and will always be GOD. He simply manifested Himself in a different form… as the Son. HE IS MANIFESTING HIMSELF IN AND THROUGH US!! There’s no difference. There is no religion in this statement. We ARE WHO WE HAVE ALWAYS BEEN! HIM!
I’ve heard people say, “We are FATHER, but, HE will always be over us. Folks, we can’t be someone and yet have that one over you. I am not taking anything away from Father, in fact, quite the opposite. THIS WAS HIS PLAN!
1John 4:16-17. “And we have known and believed (because we were and ARE ONE) the love that God hath to us. God is love; and he that dwelleth in love dwelleth in God, and God in him. (we haven’t changed, our THOUGHTS have changed). Herein is our love made perfect, that we may have BOLDNESS in the Day of Judgment: (this is that day, we are judging WHO AND WHAT WE ARE) BECAUSE AS HE IS, SO ARE WE IN HIS PRESENT ARRANGEMENT!” (world)
Now, IF the bible is your idol, why can’t you accept this truth? Folks, we need to wake up and lay aside all that isn’t Father’s Voice telling us.
Search it out for yourselves. Look at Who Father was in the beginning. Then, look at the scripture that tells you that He manifested in the flesh… AS THE MAN JESUS. Then, see in John 17 where AFTER He had finished the work of Sonship as a Pattern, He took off His disguise as man and as the Son, and was Father. Look at IS 9:6. Look at what the name Jesus is to us. EVERLASTING FATHER! ALMIGHTY GOD! There is ONLY ONE GOD. The only reason God became a man, is because HE KNEW that in the state of thinking that we had fallen into, we had to SEE a physical thing take place.
THE WORDS THAT FATHER GIVES, Parts 1-2, [Linda Keith] July 2005 1